Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Surprised it's even gone as far as the high court in that case. Will be interesting to see which way each MP goes
Don,t rule it out the team that are doing it are in with a chance according to the BBC only to delay article 50 being signed not that they will win it's a three week court hearing they will proceed on presidential parliament acts of historic ways?
Hope they lose and have to pay the costs IMO lol
The EU must be loving this pathetic can't accept the will of the vote of OUT!
 
Don,t rule it out the team that are doing it are in with a chance according to the BBC only to delay article 50 being signed not that they will win it's a three week court hearing they will proceed on presidential parliament acts of historic ways?
Hope they lose and have to pay the costs IMO lol
The EU must be loving this pathetic can't accept the will of the vote of OUT!

Don't think you understood it properly, it clearly states it has to be ratified by parliament.
 
Surprised it's even gone as far as the high court in that case. Will be interesting to see which way each MP goes
It says above very difficult to go against the referendum result in the House of Lords who are 6-1 Remainers
What is there not to understand that parliament will set a new president if it goes against the will of the UK public?
We all knew the referendrum was a guide the outs have it IMO!
 
Hard Brexit or No Brexit; says Tusk, which equals, in effect, No free movement - no access to the single market.

From my seat, This potential Brexiter (right or wrong I would've been one if allowed to vote ) puts the debate into 4 or 5 sections.

i) xenophobic; do I want to be part of a German (with help from French collaborators) led Federation

ii) Dislike of Bureaucrats and politicians in general...they all seem to be for it/ they all tell lies so I'm against it.

iii) No free movement.

iv) yes it might be initially hard to do but we had individual deals before and we do have them with the rest of the world.

v) The European court and their stupid, but it has to be said sometimes made up by the Mail eg, regs. about sausages and the bend in bananas etc. But basically over controlling by one small reg. at a time.

Short Version; This is not the deal I signed up for in the 70's.

So why, specifically, do I want out? It was all the other stuff that they tagged on, bit by bit...

You know that single market free trade thingy you voted for a few years back Degs?
Yeah (guardedly)
Well here's a few more things we came up with to help that work a bit better...
such as?(suspiciously)
Well if you're a welder or whatever or even a footballer...
I'm still listening
You can now go anywhere in Europe and do your job and nobody can tell you to 'Do one'
Seems like a good Idea -why not...and promptly forgets about it

Rinse and repeat one regulation amendment at a time over the next 30 odd years.

Oi Brussels
What do you want now Degs
You know that free movement thingy you told me about back then?
Oui/Ja.
What seemed like a good Idea 35 yrs ago is having unintended consequences
Sacre bleu/gott in himmel. How do you mean?
Seems to me half the 3rd and not so 3rd world want to come into Europe and more so the UK...and the other half want to blow it up. What you gonna do about it.
cue; Gallic shrugs all round.
It's the Law (Chinatown) Degs, merde happens.

Roll end credits.

If they give in on Free movement for the sake of free trade a lot of Brexiters will not be best pleased
just sayin like.
 
Hard Brexit or No Brexit; says Tusk, which equals, in effect, No free movement - no access to the single market.

From my seat, This potential Brexiter (right or wrong I would've been one if allowed to vote ) puts the debate into 4 or 5 sections.

i) xenophobic; do I want to be part of a German (with help from French collaborators) led Federation

ii) Dislike of Bureaucrats and politicians in general...they all seem to be for it/ they all tell lies so I'm against it.

iii) No free movement.

iv) yes it might be initially hard to do but we had individual deals before and we do have them with the rest of the world.

v) The European court and their stupid, but it has to be said sometimes made up by the Mail eg, regs. about sausages and the bend in bananas etc. But basically over controlling by one small reg. at a time.

Short Version; This is not the deal I signed up for in the 70's.

So why, specifically, do I want out? It was all the other stuff that they tagged on, bit by bit...

You know that single market free trade thingy you voted for a few years back Degs?
Yeah (guardedly)
Well here's a few more things we came up with to help that work a bit better...
such as?(suspiciously)
Well if you're a welder or whatever or even a footballer...
I'm still listening
You can now go anywhere in Europe and do your job and nobody can tell you to 'Do one'
Seems like a good Idea -why not...and promptly forgets about it

Rinse and repeat one regulation amendment at a time over the next 30 odd years.

Oi Brussels
What do you want now Degs
You know that free movement thingy you told me about back then?
Oui/Ja.
What seemed like a good Idea 35 yrs ago is having unintended consequences
Sacre bleu/gott in himmel. How do you mean?
Seems to me half the 3rd and not so 3rd world want to come into Europe and more so the UK...and the other half want to blow it up. What you gonna do about it.
cue; Gallic shrugs all round.
It's the Law (Chinatown) Degs, merde happens.

Roll end credits.

If they give in on Free movement for the sake of free trade a lot of Brexiters will not be best pleased
just sayin like.

So in a nutshell you are afraid of Muslim rayguns?
 
The UK faces the stark choice of either a hard Brexit or no Brexit, the president of the European council has said – the first time he has taken such a clear line on the likely outcome of the UK’s exit talks.

Just hours after the foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, had told a committee of MPs he was confident Britain could strike a better trade deal with the EU after Brexit, Donald Tusk used a speech in Brussels to scotch the idea that Britain can “have its cake and eat it”.

Speaking to an audience of policymakers in Brussels on Thursday, Tusk – who chairs EU leaders’ summits – said it was useless to speculate about a soft Brexit, in which the UK remained a member of the single market. “The only real alternative to a hard Brexit is no Brexit, even if today hardly anyone believes in such a possibility.”

Without naming Johnson, notorious in Brussels for his jokey phrase that Britain could have its cake and eat it, Tusk criticised “the proponents of the cake philosophy” who argued the UK could be part of the EU single market without bearing any of the costs.

“That was pure illusion, that one can have the EU cake and eat it too. To all who believe in it, I propose a simple experiment. Buy a cake, eat it, and see if it is still there on the plate.”

Business groups, Labour, and moderate Conservative backbenchers have all urged the government to strike a deal that maintains many of the benefits of the single market.

Johnson had earlier told the cross-party foreign affairs select committee: “We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly of greater value … We are going to get the best possible deal for trade in goods and services.”

But Tusk warned that Brexit would leave both Britain, and the rest of the EU, worse off. “There will be no cakes on the table, for anyone. There will be only salt and vinegar.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...or-no-brexit-at-all-says-eu-council-president

He is certainly right about one thing, if our leaving is badly handled by the Eu then Brexit would leave both Britain, and the rest of the EU, worse off and "There will be no cakes on the table, for anyone. There will be only salt and vinegar.”

Our politicians, who are trying to undermine the vote, are merely giving people like Tusk fuel to pour onto the fire rather than helping to calm it all down.

However, if what he says is true, and we should get it confirmed from the EU, then we can stop all the debate about hard and soft and just get on with leaving....
 
There you go the bully boys from the EU say you can,t have your cake and eat it so nothing's changed they stated that on day one!
Our MPs like rats in a sack squabbling - may will be strong enough to carry this vote through the public voted for btexit accept it!

It is a fairly obvious bullying move, but he's only taking his cue from the Sturgeons and Millibands....his further comments really show what he means and wants...

"Mr Tusk said it would be for the UK to assess the outcome of the negotiations and “determine if Brexit is really in their interest”.

The council president added that other EU leaders would be sympathetic if the Government decided to climb down from the Brexit brink.

“If we have a chance to reverse this negative process, we will find allies,” he said."

That's very decent of them to be sympathetic if we were to climb down, maybe they will even let us attend the myriad of meetings again........
 
It is a fairly obvious bullying move, but he's only taking his cue from the Sturgeons and Millibands....his further comments really show what he means and wants...

"Mr Tusk said it would be for the UK to assess the outcome of the negotiations and “determine if Brexit is really in their interest”.

The council president added that other EU leaders would be sympathetic if the Government decided to climb down from the Brexit brink.

“If we have a chance to reverse this negative process, we will find allies,” he said."

That's very decent of them to be sympathetic if we were to climb down, maybe they will even let us attend the myriad of meetings again........

They know it's in our interests to stop but that it would be very difficult for the government to do so.
 
Those what think there ought to be no 'hard border' Between Ulster & Eire are forgetting one thing.

Ulster isn't part of the mainland. You have to cross a stretch of water to get to mainland Britain.

No ID/Visa - No flight/Ferry. Not hard to figure what happens next, is it?
So NI can have freedom of movement with the EU but the mainland not then?
 
He is certainly right about one thing, if our leaving is badly handled by the Eu then Brexit would leave both Britain, and the rest of the EU, worse off and "There will be no cakes on the table, for anyone. There will be only salt and vinegar.”

Our politicians, who are trying to undermine the vote, are merely giving people like Tusk fuel to pour onto the fire rather than helping to calm it all down.

However, if what he says is true, and we should get it confirmed from the EU, then we can stop all the debate about hard and soft and just get on with leaving....

It's not a case of "if" what he says is true, it is true. It isn't news. It was always the case.
 
So in a nutshell you are afraid of Muslim rayguns?

*rolls eyes to heaven*
*engages (hidden) ironic font* yes i'm afraid of muslim ray guns, Polish brick layers, French onion sellers, German sausage weavers, Belgium waffle brewers, Italian spaghetti growers, greek ouzo miners. etc etc etc

oh and 'k wits too

#allegorical.
 
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