Whistlin' Dixie
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Like the 'victims' are/were totally unwilling accomplices...
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Like the 'victims' are/were totally unwilling accomplices...
Bruce someone who was a nurse claimed before cheap air travel rich people from the USA used to have a cruise withany medical condition use our NHS then travel back home its a decades thing -
there more trouble brewing over this now -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...housands-migrants-free-treatment-card-GP.html
Hang on, I could have sworn that I've read dozens of posts on here from you defending benefit claimants from Daily Mail style generalisations. At least be consistent.
EU budget
Who pays what?
The EU budget is paid for by the 27 member countries. Click on the buttons to find out about different ways of looking at what each country paid in 2007.
Total payments - €117.5bn
In 2007, five countries - Germany, France, Italy, the UK, and Spain - contributed nearly half of the budget.
In fact, Germany alone - Europe's largest economy - paid more than the 19 lowest-paying member states combined.
Each country's payment is divided into three parts: a fixed percentage of gross national income (GNI), customs duties collected on behalf of the EU (known as "traditional own resources") and a percentage of VAT income.
The GNI-based contribution is the largest part of each country's payment and is set each year by the EU to balance the budget.
There is one other important part of the revenue calculations: the UK rebate, which returns to the UK two-thirds of its payments.
This rebate is paid for by the other 26 countries as a fixed amount of their gross national income.
so those contributions are fair?????????? notice we have to pay the most VAT!
Joey, please don't click on net contributions. I swear they've cooked the books.
Whistlin' Dixie
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Benefit claimants that are legally entitled to said benefits (Including healthcare) Bruce.
Or should they come from abroad and claim all sorts of cash benefits as well?
My missus worked at St George's mate, I'm well aware that there are incidences of this going on. In the grand scheme of things though it is a drop in the ocean and at the current time merely stokes the fire of anger and division that is running riot through the Tory party. Pretty much everything they utter at the moment either directly or subtly says that 'foreigner=bad'. It's shameful.
peteblue
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If we give them a chance and the idiots stop demanding that we reveal our negotiating position and even, god forbid, get behind the government for the national good, then we probably will.......
Not if the government says they're not. After all, they're elected so we shouldn't question...
It's staggering tbh. I wouldn't say it's a huge issue, but there is a sizeable problem of women of various ages being trafficked to this country for various ends, often genitally mutilated, and taken advantage of sexually. But rather than go after the bastards that do this to them, we pin the blame purely on the shoulders of the victim. Great nation us.
And to think this is uttered by a woman who as Home Secretary helped shape the modern slavery bill makes it even more staggering. The level of political opportunism on display in the past few months has been quite incredible. Scarcely a principle between them.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
It does indeed stoke the fire of anger. Once again, something intended as a benefit for UK nationals is being ripped off by a non UK criminal. And I use the word criminal because that is what it is, theft pure and simple......
I don't think it will ever work that way. I think it will be a case of proving eligibility for free treatment or paying in advance once in the country before birth, so at that point it's a simple system check.
If someone doesn't go through that, then I'd assume it would be passport withdrawn until payment received.
Ultimately, there has to be a system in place to enforce rules, so I don't see a problem with discussing how to implement such a system. As long as it's fair, no problem with me.
But then the counter-argument is that it helps stop trafficking because if the woman presents at hospital and doesn't pay or isn't going through the system, that triggers checks on her. Otherwise, she'd be invisible - give birth free, back to the life she was in.
It's not intended for UK nationals whatsoever. Are the millions of foreign citizens working and living in this country not entitled to use the services they pay their taxes for? Good grief.
Whistlin' Dixie
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You've completely lost me.
You wouldn't question health tourism; or rather you dismiss it as a mere bagatelle, but you'd ask why is it wrong for someone to work for their dole in a multi-national when they've paid a stamp?
And you convolute health tourism with people trafficking?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Of course they are, no one said otherwise.....don't be so touchy.....
I think he's talking about maternity tourism. As in deliberately planning to travel here shortly before giving birth.
St George’s University Hospitals Foundation trust said the problem of maternity tourism was escalating at hospitals across the country.
It said it had fallen victim to “organised illegal activity” which has seen conmen making money by charging women from Nigeria to have babies on the NHS.
The trust said it was now proposing a “blanket” approach to all women in order to avoid charges of discrimination.
Again, I can't see how action to eradicate that practice is a bad thing, otherwise why have rules at all.
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