Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Tubey said:
Yeah we all know that figure mate. But it's the dictionary definition of "not seeing the woods for the trees" to actually look at that alone.

Common sense tells you that is absolute peanuts to what we actually get from the single market.
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Have tried specsavers by any chance? if you cant see the trees in the woods?lol
 
roydo said:
Ok.

If you paid £8.50 to sell stuff at a car boot sale, and you managed to make £75 that day, would the £8.50 be a waste of money?

Cos that is what, in a nutshell, you are saying.
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I did car boots and if I paid 8.50 per pitch and lost 8 billion I would be worried by the way £75 income would have disappointed me!lol
 
Whistlin' Dixie said:
Even if the regulations were changed now Bruce, we just couldn't catch up (In terms of social necessities) to accommodate an influx the equivalent to a city the size of Coventry each year. Immigration has to be curbed to a level whereas the pressure on social services is eased somewhat and breathing space given so we can provide at a reasonable standard in future.

At the moment, and for the forseeable future (Given that nobody's being repatriated as a result of leaving the eu) it's not gonna happen.
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Here's the rub though. Expanding services costs money. It's been widely reported that migrants tend to contribute more to the exchequer than they consume, so if we have less of them then the Treasury will have less money to spend.

Add to that the very real possibility that the economy will dip for a period of time as the country adapts to leaving the single market. So if we were to boot out a load of migrants, we'd lose tax revenue at a time when tax revenues are already being squeezed. That doesn't sound like an environment where public spending is going to thrive to me, especially countered against increased expenditure on the Brexit department and bolstering whatever department will be charged with 'managing' migration.
 
roydo said:
Dont get it mate.
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EU budget







Who pays what?
The EU budget is paid for by the 27 member countries. Click on the buttons to find out about different ways of looking at what each country paid in 2007.


Total payments - €117.5bn

In 2007, five countries - Germany, France, Italy, the UK, and Spain - contributed nearly half of the budget.

In fact, Germany alone - Europe's largest economy - paid more than the 19 lowest-paying member states combined.

Each country's payment is divided into three parts: a fixed percentage of gross national income (GNI), customs duties collected on behalf of the EU (known as "traditional own resources") and a percentage of VAT income.

The GNI-based contribution is the largest part of each country's payment and is set each year by the EU to balance the budget.

There is one other important part of the revenue calculations: the UK rebate, which returns to the UK two-thirds of its payments.

This rebate is paid for by the other 26 countries as a fixed amount of their gross national income.



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so those contributions are fair?????????? notice we have to pay the most VAT!
 
roydo said:
Ok.

If you paid £8.50 to sell stuff at a car boot sale, and you managed to make £75 that day, would the £8.50 be a waste of money?

Cos that is what, in a nutshell, you are saying.
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I didn't say anything other than "I think this may be where the 8.5Bn comes from......"

But as you've raised another point, the example above if you were to equate it to the UK trading in the EU is.............the £8.50 is real money that you have already made and now paid out......the £75 is real money being paid for stuff which unfortunately you are assuming was free and at no cost to yourself, which of course is not true......in addition the car boot sale people also sell you loads of other stuff which is in fact more than you sold on the day......So when you leave you have bought more stuff than you sold, and paid £8.50 for the pleasure........
 
hullefc said:
The Irish government protects its borders like other countries, but that doesn't stop all migrants getting into a country. There are 20 000 migrants in Ireland and the government is in the process of granting them residency. Ironically, a lot of those migrants enter Ireland via the north on visas issued by the British government and this has caused concern in Ireland.

If the UK leaves the EU, they will have to negotiate separate trade deals with individual countries and one of the criteria will be visas. In negotiating with China over its £1 billion investment in Manchester the government lifted visa restrictions. That means there will be a lot more people entering the UK, with many choosing not to go back to their countries, as some do now. Rather than get deported many will choose to go to Ireland, as they do now.
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Quite so, lets keep our fingers crossed, the politicians use common sense.

PS My wife was one generation off qualifying for an Eire passport, darn it.
 
And I would suggest the economic benefits to the member states are pretty much the exact same correlation.

If you dont get that is costs money to conduct business, I give up mate.
 
peteblue said:
I didn't say anything other than "I think this may be where the 8.5Bn comes from......"

But as you've raised another point, the example above if you were to equate it to the UK trading in the EU is.............the £8.50 is real money that you have already made and now paid out......the £75 is real money being paid for stuff which unfortunately you are assuming was free and at no cost to yourself, which of course is not true......in addition the car boot sale people also sell you loads of other stuff which is in fact more than you sold on the day......So when you leave you have bought more stuff than you sold, and paid £8.50 for the pleasure........
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You can't be serious with that analogy...
 
peteblue said:
I didn't say anything other than "I think this may be where the 8.5Bn comes from......"

But as you've raised another point, the example above if you were to equate it to the UK trading in the EU is.............the £8.50 is real money that you have already made and now paid out......the £75 is real money being paid for stuff which unfortunately you are assuming was free and at no cost to yourself, which of course is not true......in addition the car boot sale people also sell you loads of other stuff which is in fact more than you sold on the day......So when you leave you have bought more stuff than you sold, and paid £8.50 for the pleasure........
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also @roydo could have advertised his used dildo collection in local paper/ebay/gumtree and kept ALL the profits
 
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