Current Affairs EU In or Out

[joey_macmo]

I thought the higest turn out out ever for a vote was 70 % but the remoners latch on to the people who did not bother voting?
great logiclol
In a GE it 48% on average lately?
I have never seen an analogy of what the 52% would have voted on if they had gone down to the polling booth?

As ever you're incredibly wrong

http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

 

[joey_macmo]

Esk you getting the google bug of Bruce Wayne watch out its nasty!lol

the thread would be much better off if you googled all of your figures before posting.

 

[Joey66]

As ever you're incredibly wrong

http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

smacks hands incredibly really - 70 odd percent is still higher than a GE lately though nothing incredible about that fact
OH and out means out!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ah London you live in a bubble Bruce thought so try living in Lincoln!

That's just it Joe, I don't regard it as a bubble at all. Of the various fears that seemed to underpin the leave campaign, most of them are in abundance here, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Joey66]

the thread would be much better off if you googled all of your figures before posting.

I did and it stated the EU leaves us each year 8.5 billion at a net loss yet posters on here denied that!

 

[Joey66]

That's just it Joe, I don't regard it as a bubble at all. Of the various fears that seemed to underpin the leave campaign, most of them are in abundance here, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

London is thriving Bruce glad you like it there I have family there they have all done well on my late fathers side all blues by the way
only meet them at events now great cockneys

 

[Bruce Wayne]

London is thriving Bruce glad you like it there I have family there they have all done well on my late fathers side all blues by the way
only meet them at events now great cockneys

I'm not even talking in pure financial terms, although there are obviously tremendous opportunities for that. Educationally and culturally it's a fantastic place because there are so many diverse minds here. If you're open to the possibilities then they really are almost limitless. I mean yesterday I had lunch with a Chinese professor from Zhejiang University, a Dutch professor from Cambridge, a Swedish scientist also from Cambridge, and a Chinese-Swedish lady who'd flown in from New York. That level of diversity is a wonderful thing, and the thought of arbitrarily capping it saddens me enormously.

 

[hullefc]

I did and it stated the EU leaves us each year 8.5 billion at a net loss yet posters on here denied that!

Joey, I pointed out yesterday that the cost to the UK is between £4 billion and £5 billion. It is not denial but in the government information about how much it costs the UK to be a member of the EU.

 

[Joey66]

I'm not even talking in pure financial terms, although there are obviously tremendous opportunities for that. Educationally and culturally it's a fantastic place because there are so many diverse minds here. If you're open to the possibilities then they really are almost limitless. I mean yesterday I had lunch with a Chinese professor from Zhejiang University, a Dutch professor from Cambridge, a Swedish scientist also from Cambridge, and a Chinese-Swedish lady who'd flown in from New York. That level of diversity is a wonderful thing, and the thought of arbitrarily capping it saddens me enormously.

dont tell me Bruce you all sat there Googling like madlol
yes our city was diverse when I grew up loved it, but it now has to have some control Bruce letting in 330,000 per year is not sustainable is it?

 

[Joey66]

Joey, I pointed out yesterday that the cost to the UK is between £4 billion and £5 billion. It is not denial but in the government information about how much it costs the UK to be a member of the EU.

yes you cooked those figures well sorry but it was nonsense what you posted!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

dont tell me Bruce you all sat there Googling like madlol
yes our city was diverse when I grew up loved it, but it now has to have some control Bruce letting in 330,000 per year is not sustainable is it?

As I've said several times in this thread, it isn't the numbers coming in that are the problem, it's the difficulties local authorities have in responding to population changes, whether from internal migration or from abroad. We have a strongly centralised means of distributing money to local authorities, and planning regulations mean we haven't been building enough homes for decades.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

As I've said several times in this thread, it isn't the numbers coming in that are the problem, it's the difficulties local authorities have in responding to population changes, whether from internal migration or from abroad. We have a strongly centralised means of distributing money to local authorities, and planning regulations mean we haven't been building enough homes for decades.

Which means the numbers coming in actually are the problem, Bruce. Change can't keep up with rate, no matter how you plan for it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Which means the numbers coming in actually are the problem, Bruce. Change can't keep up with rate, no matter how you plan for it.

Change is a constant in life, with immigration just one element of it, so I find it strange that rather than getting better at adapting to change, we try and eradicate it.

I mean only yesterday the science and technology select committee issued a report on automation and strongly advocated greater support for lifelong learning to help people adapt to rapid changes in the labour market. Do we think the government will do that? I'm not holding my breath. If anything, this government appear more inclined to be centralised and meddling rather than localised and adaptive.

 

[roydo]

I did and it stated the EU leaves us each year 8.5 billion at a net loss yet posters on here denied that!

Joey, whether is is £5 Billion, £8.5 Billion, or £10 Billion we pay into the EU, circa £70 Billion is added to our GDP directly as a result of being in the largest free trade market on the planet.

Now, I am not for a second suggesting that one day we will wake up and it will be £0.00 we get in, but that £70 Billion has been put at risk, and will need to be replaced somehow.

If we can do that, without it costing the country £8.5 Billion in terms of increased prices, lower tax revenues, Government grants, etc etc, then all fine and dandy.

I have my doubts it will be a quick process mind.

That is why I reluctantly voted to stay.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Change is a constant in life, with immigration just one element of it, so I find it strange that rather than getting better at adapting to change, we try and eradicate it.

I mean only yesterday the science and technology select committee issued a report on automation and strongly advocated greater support for lifelong learning to help people adapt to rapid changes in the labour market. Do we think the government will do that? I'm not holding my breath. If anything, this government appear more inclined to be centralised and meddling rather than localised and adaptive.

Even if the regulations were changed now Bruce, we just couldn't catch up (In terms of social necessities) to accommodate an influx the equivalent to a city the size of Coventry each year. Immigration has to be curbed to a level whereas the pressure on social services is eased somewhat and breathing space given so we can provide at a reasonable standard in future.

At the moment, and for the forseeable future (Given that nobody's being repatriated as a result of leaving the eu) it's not gonna happen.