Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

Thanks for the reply.

European states will soon(or already are) running out of cheap money. Government structural deficits, already large, will likely increase from here on out. It's then up to the government to increase taxes or massively cut spending(quite likely both). This will lead to all sorts of voter discontent. Racial tensions are also increasing through much of Europe. It's a wildfire just waiting for a spark.

The most hopeful way out of this is increased productivity & GDP through an AI boom. Nothing else, I think, stops this sh**show.

If you want to see the way the UK is headed just look to the continent. Unless the Tories somehow get themselves together we are about to get our very own AfD or FN as the main opposition. Some may take comfort that neither of these two parties hold any significant govt power. Let's see if that is still the case in, say, 5 years time.

Or we could just focus on where the money is actually being spent on and dealing with that, though of course that would be in opposition to what you are told to believe so I understand why you didn’t come up with it.

 

[Amw79]

Happy 5th anniversary everyone.

What a glorious 5 years it's been.

We should start to see those Brexit dividends rolling in soon shouldn't we?

I’m just taking back control of a delicious breakfast of sovereignty, while waiting for the sunlit uplands of benefits to be delivered.

(It really was just a con of slogans and false patriotism, wasn’t it)

 

[Jebus_lives]

I’m just taking back control of a delicious breakfast of sovereignty, while waiting for the sunlit uplands of benefits to be delivered.

(It really was just a con of slogans and false patriotism, wasn’t it)

@Amw79 makes an interesting point here balancing the hard won opportunities in paragraph one with some parenthetical cynicism about those benefits in paragraph two.

I'd like to take this opportunity to invite some of our Pro Brexit members to outline some of the many benefits they, and the rest of the country, have enjoyed in the 5 years since they won.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

@Amw79 makes an interesting point here balancing the hard won opportunities in paragraph one with some parenthetical cynicism about those benefits in paragraph two.

I'd like to take this opportunity to invite some of our Pro Brexit members to outline some of the many benefits they, and the rest of the country, have enjoyed in the 5 years since they won.

I'll bite.

The main benefit is we are no longer a member of the EU. For some of us it was mostly a political/sovereignty issue. Economics were secondary. Sure, it would be nice if we had a competent government in the past 5 years. We haven't. However, that's our own fault. We can no longer blame Brussels for our current political incompetence. Personal responsibility is invariably better than collective passing the buck. A state responsible for it's own decisions is more likely to lead to good governance in the longer term.

It's easier as a Brit to march on London with lighted pitchforks than it is to march on Brussels.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It's easier as a Brit to march on London with lighted pitchforks than it is to march on Brussels.

Agrred mate. Geography is a very difficult subject.

 

[Amw79]

I'll bite.

The main benefit is we are no longer a member of the EU.

Brilliant, the main benefit of leaving the EU, is that we’re no longer a member of the EU.

There we have it. A tautological triumph.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'll bite.

The main benefit is we are no longer a member of the EU. For some of us it was mostly a political/sovereignty issue. Economics were secondary. Sure, it would be nice if we had a competent government in the past 5 years. We haven't. However, that's our own fault. We can no longer blame Brussels for our current political incompetence. Personal responsibility is invariably better than collective passing the buck. A state responsible for it's own decisions is more likely to lead to good governance in the longer term.

It's easier as a Brit to march on London with lighted pitchforks than it is to march on Brussels.

You do realise those blaming Brussels were usually masking political incompetence or had some sort of personal gain to be made out of it.

You really must be the DEI hire where you work, clearly incredibly stupid*


*applying posters own logic

The first few companies, institutions or government departments hiring DEI candidates probably got a good deal out of it. They were hiring the best of the best. If your company is forced to employ the next level down of DEI hires then you are in trouble. Hiring the level below that and your in all sorts of sh*t.

Competency matters in some jobs.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I'll bite.

The main benefit is we are no longer a member of the EU. For some of us it was mostly a political/sovereignty issue. Economics were secondary. Sure, it would be nice if we had a competent government in the past 5 years. We haven't. However, that's our own fault. We can no longer blame Brussels for our current political incompetence. Personal responsibility is invariably better than collective passing the buck. A state responsible for it's own decisions is more likely to lead to good governance in the longer term.

It's easier as a Brit to march on London with lighted pitchforks than it is to march on Brussels.

History does not support this.

 

[Wizard]

 

[Jebus_lives]

People buying Covid Vaccine myth.

The laws part ALWAYS falls apart when you ask someone to name a law that's improved and why we couldn't do it before.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

History does not support this.

It's probably no coincidence the Eastern block initially collapsed in the smaller Eastern European states. It did not first collapse in the Soviet Union. The more local the government the more the population feels they have skin in the game. A smaller state does not equal good governance. Simply that it has a better chance at it.

Imagine we had, say, a massive Muslim rape gang scandal in the UK. Now imagine if the local population wished to pressure the government into a full public inquiry. The local/UK population has a better chance at successfully pressuring a UK government than it does a Brussels government. For one it can kick the lying, do-nothing UK f**kers out of government. The UK voting public cannot kick out the Danish, German, French or Italian representatives in Brussels.

 

[Harryflashman]

The only victory in history the winners don’t celebrate . I’ve said it before as blues we still sing about a team from 40 years ago and will bore anyone on it given a chance but these folks just wanna move on and talk vaguely about intangibles

 

[kenada_blue]

Happy 5th anniversary everyone.

What a glorious 5 years it's been.

We should start to see those Brexit dividends rolling in soon shouldn't we?

Got a Freedom brekkie at the spoons out of it. Basically a small breakfast with mushrooms.

There's symbolism in that somewhere

 

[kenada_blue]

People buying Covid Vaccine myth.

The laws part ALWAYS falls apart when you ask someone to name a law that's improved and why we couldn't do it before.

Could be wrong but if we were still in the EU during COVID...I don't think Michelle Mone would've got that £200mill PPE contract as we'd have just agreed something within in the EU.

Apparently that whole PPE thing is gonna cost over a billion

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It's probably no coincidence the Eastern block initially collapsed in the smaller Eastern European states. It did not first collapse in the Soviet Union. The more local the government the more the population feels they have skin in the game. A smaller state does not equal good governance. Simply that it has a better chance at it.

Imagine we had, say, a massive Muslim rape gang scandal in the UK. Now imagine if the local population wished to pressure the government into a full public inquiry. The local/UK population has a better chance at successfully pressuring a UK government than it does a Brussels government. For one it can kick the lying, do-nothing UK f**kers out of government. The UK voting public cannot kick out the Danish, German, French or Italian representatives in Brussels.

I've realised why you don't like DEI hires. You're dumber* than them, aren't you? I'll bet you work for your uncles company and all those in on merit/dei laugh at you. People laugh at you and say you're the reason they don't actually need DEI hire policies because of people like you.

*see posters own logic, above