Current Affairs EU In or Out

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  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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dylsexicbleu said:
It's probably no coincidence the Eastern block initially collapsed in the smaller Eastern European states. It did not first collapse in the Soviet Union. The more local the government the more the population feels they have skin in the game. A smaller state does not equal good governance. Simply that it has a better chance at it.

Imagine we had, say, a massive Muslim rape gang scandal in the UK. Now imagine if the local population wished to pressure the government into a full public inquiry. The local/UK population has a better chance at successfully pressuring a UK government than it does a Brussels government. For one it can kick the lying, do-nothing UK f**kers out of government. The UK voting public cannot kick out the Danish, German, French or Italian representatives in Brussels.
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Would the same apply to home grown British child grooming and sexual exploitation gangs ? Cos we have plenty of them here who for some reason never get spoken about
 
dylsexicbleu said:
It's probably no coincidence the Eastern block initially collapsed in the smaller Eastern European states. It did not first collapse in the Soviet Union. The more local the government the more the population feels they have skin in the game. A smaller state does not equal good governance. Simply that it has a better chance at it.

Imagine we had, say, a massive Muslim rape gang scandal in the UK. Now imagine if the local population wished to pressure the government into a full public inquiry. The local/UK population has a better chance at successfully pressuring a UK government than it does a Brussels government. For one it can kick the lying, do-nothing UK f**kers out of government. The UK voting public cannot kick out the Danish, German, French or Italian representatives in Brussels.
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Addressing your first point, you've shifted the position from your initial assertion to now suggest it's not the autonomy of decision making but the locality(?) and size of the state. I never suggested size of state or a particular firm of government was more effective than another - simply that the states ability to make decisions for themselves does not more 'likely to lead to good governance in the longer term'.

Your second paragraph might have more weight if when there was a massive (predominantly) British-Pakistani rape gang scandal in the UK - it wasn't ignored by various parts of the state and public throughout the 1990s, across the 2000s and through the 2010s. You might also point out that it's been subject to over 20 years of reports and inquiries and during that time, despite very vocal calls for a public inquiry, no government has felt it necessary.

We also voted for MEPs and could remove them if we wanted.
 
summerisle said:
Sunlit uplands, far, far, far away. This interview scuppered GB News' agenda. Fishermen sold a pup.
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From listening to a bit of GB News as the Tories fell apart & in the run up to the election I can confidently say that Nana Akua (the roving reporter in the clips) is one of the dumbest people on TV, certainly in any sort of news & current affairs capacity (DEI hire to prove how not-racist they are?)

"Can't you just price yourself out of the market now there are no price controls?" - absolutely deranged question to pose to someone earnestly telling you how scuppered they are because of Brexit.
 
It's a shame the fearless crusaders for Brexit no longer post in here. It was a thriving hub of cocksure geriatrics delivering brutal anecdotal rebuttals to expert predictions and analysis, a daily barrage of common sense insight derived from a lived experience devoid of annoying considerations of nuanced interdependent and complex systems.

Oddly humble and silent in this moment of reflection for the huge benefits they've brought.
 
Thomasc said:
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Millionaire businessman and entrepreneur Mr Sugar gives his views.

But obviously @dylsexicbleu knows best 😂
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Would love it if the UK rejoined and we collectively stuck two fingers up at Trump, Musk and their ilk's desire to divide and weaken the entirety of Europe. The EU has strong worker rights, human rights, union rights, environmental initiatives and strong anti-competitive enforcement, everything the Trumpy Musky muppets hate.
Plus it's just sad at this point seeing UK citizens at the long queue at the airport.
How long do we think before a new referendum is seriously discussed in Westminster?
 
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