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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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summerisle said:
I would like public schools to be abolished. It must be acknowledged however, that in the First World War, the percentage of public school educated soldiers who died was 18%, compared to the average of 11%. I've also read a book about it, so there.

ww1geek.com

Public Schools and the Great War

The Generation Lost By Anthony Seldon & David Walsh Pen & Sword, 2013 The authors estimate that 35,000 ex-public school boys were killed during the First World War; 18% of those who enliste…
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Even the then PM lost a son in that war, and it was (rightly or wrongly) considered shameful for people of that generation not to have done their bit.

There was quite a bit of class solidarity and support between those private school educated officers that survived and their men, too - quite a lot of the internal Tory opposition (to Balfour and Chamberlain) during the 20s and 30s came from people like Macmillan, who really did try to help the men they'd led against what their own government was doing to them and who paid a political price for doing it.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
This might be of interest

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Europe’s radical right has made challenging Brussels a winning formula – so why hasn’t the radical left made the same gains?

Europe’s radical right and radical left share a distaste for the status quo – but while one turns disquiet into votes, the other fails to make an impact.
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Interesting article.
I know a lad who is a member of Bloc party and from Speaking with him would hardly say they are ‘radical left’ more a social democratic party. There is a communist party in Portugal that occupy the far left I’d say and it’s pretty mad to see posters for them with hammers and sickles on. Apparently they have a pretty traditional idea of Portuguese life and aren’t especially socially liberal.

I consider the far left to be pretty much a fringe group (certainly in the U.K.) and that ‘radical left’ is a term easily thrown about when in truth, most parties considered ‘radical left’ are not calling for the end of capitalism or revolution.

I think the main problem the left has in gaining popularity is actually pretty simple. We live in a world of short videos and soundbites, and the left has a more convoluted narrative to sell when compared to the right’s one of anti elitism, anti immigration and anti political class.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Interesting article.
I know a lad who is a member of Bloc party and from Speaking with him would hardly say they are ‘radical left’ more a social democratic party. There is a communist party in Portugal that occupy the far left I’d say and it’s pretty mad to see posters for them with hammers and sickles on. Apparently they have a pretty traditional idea of Portuguese life and aren’t especially socially liberal.

I consider the far left to be pretty much a fringe group (certainly in the U.K.) and that ‘radical left’ is a term easily thrown about when in truth, most parties considered ‘radical left’ are not calling for the end of capitalism or revolution.

I think the main problem the left has in gaining popularity is actually pretty simple. We live in a world of short videos and soundbites, and the left has a more convoluted narrative to sell when compared to the right’s one of anti elitism, anti immigration and anti political class.
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I think there is also a challenge with overcoming a 'taking' narrative.

The right are very effective at selling themselves against various 'enemies' who will 'take' from people. The left and higher taxes which benefit 'scroungers'. Those damn Forrens who take resources and use public services. Those damn wokes, political corrects and Forrens again who'll take your culture, identity and way of life. The damn Europes who take our control and Sovvies etc.
 
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JimmyJeffers said:
Interesting article.
I know a lad who is a member of Bloc party and from Speaking with him would hardly say they are ‘radical left’ more a social democratic party. There is a communist party in Portugal that occupy the far left I’d say and it’s pretty mad to see posters for them with hammers and sickles on. Apparently they have a pretty traditional idea of Portuguese life and aren’t especially socially liberal.

I consider the far left to be pretty much a fringe group (certainly in the U.K.) and that ‘radical left’ is a term easily thrown about when in truth, most parties considered ‘radical left’ are not calling for the end of capitalism or revolution.

I think the main problem the left has in gaining popularity is actually pretty simple. We live in a world of short videos and soundbites, and the left has a more convoluted narrative to sell when compared to the right’s one of anti elitism, anti immigration and anti political class.
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PSI (Italy) had the hammer and sickle as it's main symbol until 1978, when a red carnation was introduced. The hammer and sickle remained but smaller, and at the bottom of the symbol until 1987 when it was removed completely.

PSI are basically social democrats these days, maybe a bit more radical in 60s and 70s, but they were originally formed as a split from the PCI.
 
summerisle said:
A very concise explanation of the recent immigration figures.

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The study element definitely hinges on UK HEIs actively looking to recruit overseas students to balance the books.

It's a politically thorny area - it's either raise uk student tuition fees to match inflation or the Govt moves back to a significant block grant and fees model for students. The Govt don't want to do either, so it's outreach and marketing to India, China, Malaysia, Africa etc for those higher value overseas student fees.

Edit, to illustrate, this is University of Liverpool's business and management undergraduate degree fees:

TUITION FEES​

UK fees (applies to Channel Islands, Isle of Man and Republic of Ireland)
Full-time place, per year£9,250
Year in industry fee£1,850
Year abroad fee£1,385
International fees
Full-time place, per year£23,200
Year in industry fee£1,850
 
Drico said:
Well, what's happened is the more palatable types - French, Germans, Swedes, Dutch, Poles, etc., have been replaced by those of a different hue - and it drives the racists even madder. Which is delightful to see.
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I "suspect" that as so many are students, they don't tend to be seen by the racists anyway as they never were in university towns.
 
Oh boy. Somehow one of the old boys I natter to on my morning dog walk got on to the EU. I'm not sure how or why, he just started up. I really wish he hadn't. Abridged highlights:

  • The EU is a direct descendent of the Nazi Party
  • Apparently the EU did something dodgy with stolen Nazi gold and art (but he didn't elaborate)
  • The Germans are the main beneficiaries of the EU. Every other country has lost their sovereignty. Only Germany has theirs.
  • None of the bad stuff that happens in Britain is the fault of politicians. It is all on the secret genius manipulative civil servants who control EVERYTHING. They're in with the EU Nazis apparently.
  • He knows this because he was a civil servant. Confusingly, all the useless ones get promoted and are the top controlling everything. Seemingly now the the manipulative geniuses. But he never did, which angers him because he considers himself very capable and clever.
  • His sister was a teacher and was also denied promotion at the expense of lesser beings. Apparently because of the Civil Service mandarins too.
He mentioned the S*n once or twice too. There we have it. The rationale for Brexit by a bloke in a park.

Can't wait for the next general election. Ffs.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Oh boy. Somehow one of the old boys I natter to on my morning dog walk got on to the EU. I'm not sure how or why, he just started up. I really wish he hadn't. Abridged highlights:

  • The EU is a direct descendent of the Nazi Party
  • Apparently the EU did something dodgy with stolen Nazi gold and art (but he didn't elaborate)
  • The Germans are the main beneficiaries of the EU. Every other country has lost their sovereignty. Only Germany has theirs.
  • None of the bad stuff that happens in Britain is the fault of politicians. It is all on the secret genius manipulative civil servants who control EVERYTHING. They're in with the EU Nazis apparently.
  • He knows this because he was a civil servant. Confusingly, all the useless ones get promoted and are the top controlling everything. Seemingly now the the manipulative geniuses. But he never did, which angers him because he considers himself very capable and clever.
  • His sister was a teacher and was also denied promotion at the expense of lesser beings. Apparently because of the Civil Service mandarins too.
He mentioned the S*n once or twice too. There we have it. The rationale for Brexit by a bloke in a park.

Can't wait for the next general election. Ffs.
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What park were you in @peteblue ?
 
Regardless of what you think about Brexit, I think its a fair call to say that David Cameron probably isn't the best person to be extolling its virtues of the EU. You know, seeing as ultimately the reason we're even out of it is because he offered the referendum as a bargaining chip during the election to steal votes from UKIP only to then bugger off the second that the result went against him. Its like Tony Blair offering advice of peace in the middle east. Its borderline obscene. The brass neck of the utter bellend.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Oh boy. Somehow one of the old boys I natter to on my morning dog walk got on to the EU. I'm not sure how or why, he just started up. I really wish he hadn't. Abridged highlights:

  • The EU is a direct descendent of the Nazi Party
  • Apparently the EU did something dodgy with stolen Nazi gold and art (but he didn't elaborate)
  • The Germans are the main beneficiaries of the EU. Every other country has lost their sovereignty. Only Germany has theirs.
  • None of the bad stuff that happens in Britain is the fault of politicians. It is all on the secret genius manipulative civil servants who control EVERYTHING. They're in with the EU Nazis apparently.
  • He knows this because he was a civil servant. Confusingly, all the useless ones get promoted and are the top controlling everything. Seemingly now the the manipulative geniuses. But he never did, which angers him because he considers himself very capable and clever.
  • His sister was a teacher and was also denied promotion at the expense of lesser beings. Apparently because of the Civil Service mandarins too.
He mentioned the S*n once or twice too. There we have it. The rationale for Brexit by a bloke in a park.

Can't wait for the next general election. Ffs.
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There really is a deep-seated, profound inferiority complex in certain Englander Schweinhund types when it comes to Germany...

It's like they thought Tiger and Scorcher was based on fact.
 
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