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[summerisle]

Yeah. It's interesting that it doesn't hold sway in the U K or Ireland*. Imagine Tommy Robinson polling in the millions! Very interesting to see what happens in Germany come their elections next year. If AfD poll high, things will begin to look very dark indeed.

*Blue shirts apart.

No suprise in this :

Why was far-right leader Geert Wilders allowed into the UK for the #FreeTommyRobinson protest? - Free Movement

I was appalled to see Saturday's footage of the violence directed against the police in central London by protesters demonstrating against the imprisonment of

freemovement.org.uk

 

[Blue Heart]

No suprise in this :

Why was far-right leader Geert Wilders allowed into the UK for the #FreeTommyRobinson protest? - Free Movement

I was appalled to see Saturday's footage of the violence directed against the police in central London by protesters demonstrating against the imprisonment of

freemovement.org.uk

Yes. Imagine Robinson getting the kind of electoral result as a Meloni / Wilders / Le Pen. Unthinkable, but why so?

 

[summerisle]

Yep, I get it. The day by day suffering of some people I see around me tells me about the current regime's indiffiference to poverty, squalor and ignorance and I'm convinced I'd see much the same around the continent.

Yet the response here and in R o I is very different. If it were purely down to voting systems (multi party votes) Ireland would be a prime candidate for hard right wingers, given the system was designed by aliens with a penchant for Advanced Maths.

They lurk everywhere. In Dublin at the moment. Apparently, in response to a stabbing incident near a school, allegedly by an immigrant/refugee.

Three children injured in Dublin stabbing, police say motive unknown

Police said they had not ruled out any motive, including whether it could be terror-related.

www.reuters.com

 

[tsubaki]

I have always thought that psychological explanations for the result reveal the baked-in normative Enlightenment-era belief that all people would sign on to whatever has currency in Western culture, if only they were not uneducated tools. That approach is unhelpful and self-defeating.

If you're seeing people vote for fascism, what they want is change. Reality is that center-left policies aren't producing results for a lot of people in the era of globalization. We can't rewind the clock, and a lot of voters who have been hurt financially can't see that. I just think that treating them as either irrational or 'victims of human cognitive limitations' makes matters worse, rather than better. IMO it reveals a lack of empathy.

If we're seeing a 25% share of parliamentary seats go to a far right party in a PR system, that should be a strong signal that we need to have a conversation. That conversation needs to start from the perspective that whatever concerns motivated these people to vote for extremism are legitimate. We need to accept their rage, rather than belittle it, and discuss how we make their lives better collectively.

Indeed, though I think it should be recognized that fascism historically - and certainly far right movements nowadays - are nearly always creations of the existing establishment brought in to co-opt and control that demand for change.

All these people (from politicians like Farage or Wilders to "influencers" like Brand, Peterson and Tate) pose as free thinkers, people fighting the system etc but they nearly always believe the same things, things which are when reduced to their simplest level pretty much the same things as what the establishment wants and is doing. It is also pretty obvious that many things have been brought in ahead of time to allow them to have the reach they have - look at GBNews for example, which has always and will always make a loss but it puts Farage and like minded people on a national level. Or look at Musk buying Twitter; lost billions and yet he is pumping out far right bilge across the entire world.

It seems to me a pretty clear attempt by people who, if climate change hits as feared, will probably be put up against walls / find themselves dangling from lamp-posts when society comes together and realises what they have done just to make fortunes out of. Therefore, we as societies - or more importantly as a human race - must never come together, because they will suffer.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Indeed, though I think it should be recognized that fascism historically - and certainly far right movements nowadays - are nearly always creations of the existing establishment brought in to co-opt and control that demand for change.

All these people (from politicians like Farage or Wilders to "influencers" like Brand, Peterson and Tate) pose as free thinkers, people fighting the system etc but they nearly always believe the same things, things which are when reduced to their simplest level pretty much the same things as what the establishment wants and is doing. It is also pretty obvious that many things have been brought in ahead of time to allow them to have the reach they have - look at GBNews for example, which has always and will always make a loss but it puts Farage and like minded people on a national level. Or look at Musk buying Twitter; lost billions and yet he is pumping out far right bilge across the entire world.

It seems to me a pretty clear attempt by people who, if climate change hits as feared, will probably be put up against walls / find themselves dangling from lamp-posts when society comes together and realises what they have done just to make fortunes out of. Therefore, we as societies - or more importantly as a human race - must never come together, because they will suffer.

finally, something to look forwards to.

 

[summerisle]

They lurk everywhere. In Dublin at the moment. Apparently, in response to a stabbing incident near a school, allegedly by an immigrant/refugee.

Three children injured in Dublin stabbing, police say motive unknown

Police said they had not ruled out any motive, including whether it could be terror-related.

www.reuters.com

Unfortunately, still continuing.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

It depends how people see or feel changes. It’s a lot easier to quickly make things like public services and healthcare worse than it is to make them better. As we have seen in the uk over the last 13 odd years.
Also think people are more than willing to go down the fascist and racist route. The politicians with their racist and xenophobic rhetoric are more often than not, pushing against an open door.

The thing with populists like the Dutch fella is that they reach out and court support from the good old socialist left yet manage to instil in them suspicion and fear of immigrants. They push the mantra that these immigrants will take their jobs, overrun their social health and welfare systems and ultimately destroy their own culture.

They thrive in the type of socio economic unrest that exists within Europe today. Expect more of the same

 

[peteblue]

Amended

Hahaha…..

 

[The binman chronicles]

The thing with populists like the Dutch fella is that they reach out and court support from the good old socialist left yet manage to instil in them suspicion and fear of immigrants. They push the mantra that these immigrants will take their jobs, overrun their social health and welfare systems and ultimately destroy their own culture.

They thrive in the type of socio economic unrest that exists within Europe today. Expect more of the same

I remember saying to anyone who would listen at the time (leading up to the brexit vote) that the EU will eventually sort itself or breakdown completely without us inflicting self-harm and voting to leave.

It's not there yet but if this trend continues another 10 or so years it's hard to see how these countries don't have their own border controls back.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The thing with populists like the Dutch fella is that they reach out and court support from the good old socialist left yet manage to instil in them suspicion and fear of immigrants. They push the mantra that these immigrants will take their jobs, overrun their social health and welfare systems and ultimately destroy their own culture.

They thrive in the type of socio economic unrest that exists within Europe today. Expect more of the same

I don’t disagree but let’s not forget that a lot of people are all too willing to go along with it, despite any evidence to the contrary.
We kid ourselves thinking that we’re always progressing as a society but we’re just doomed to run round in circles.

 

[Bluerover]

They lurk everywhere. In Dublin at the moment. Apparently, in response to a stabbing incident near a school, allegedly by an immigrant/refugee.

Three children injured in Dublin stabbing, police say motive unknown

Police said they had not ruled out any motive, including whether it could be terror-related.

www.reuters.com

Scum

 

[Rita_Poon]

I don’t disagree but let’s not forget that a lot of people are all too willing to go along with it, despite any evidence to the contrary.
We kid ourselves thinking that we’re always progressing as a society but we’re just doomed to run round in circles.

private schooling, it's charitable status, the entitled types it often produces, and the sheer gulf between the real working world. the attitudes against the proletariat is ingrained at a very early age. it engenders the lack of accountability in later life. effectively the same mindset as those giving the orders for 'over the top' in the trenches of France in 1915. 'Ah well old boy, another brandy and a cigar and we'll dream up something else for the troops tomorrow eh?!'

elitist scum, not worth a rats ass.

 

[Aberblue]

private schooling, it's charitable status, the entitled types it often produces, and the sheer gulf between the real working world. the attitudes against the proletariat is ingrained at a very early age. it engenders the lack of accountability in later life. effectively the same mindset as those giving the orders for 'over the top' in the trenches of France in 1915. 'Ah well old boy, another brandy and a cigar and we'll dream up something else for the troops tomorrow eh?!'

elitist scum, not worth a rats ass.

I agree with you about the need to do away with private education, but for accuracy's sake, I believe the "upper class" officers suffered very heavy casualties in WWI.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I agree with you about the need to do away with private education, but for accuracy's sake, I believe the "upper class" officers suffered very heavy casualties in WWI.

I was referencing the colonels and majors etc calling the shots from miles behind the front line. Not enough of the gentry faced their wishes.

 

[summerisle]

private schooling, it's charitable status, the entitled types it often produces, and the sheer gulf between the real working world. the attitudes against the proletariat is ingrained at a very early age. it engenders the lack of accountability in later life. effectively the same mindset as those giving the orders for 'over the top' in the trenches of France in 1915. 'Ah well old boy, another brandy and a cigar and we'll dream up something else for the troops tomorrow eh?!'

elitist scum, not worth a rats ass.

I would like public schools to be abolished. It must be acknowledged however, that in the First World War, the percentage of public school educated soldiers who died was 18%, compared to the average of 11%. I've also read a book about it, so there.

Public Schools and the Great War

The Generation Lost By Anthony Seldon & David Walsh Pen & Sword, 2013 The authors estimate that 35,000 ex-public school boys were killed during the First World War; 18% of those who enliste…

ww1geek.com