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[NilSatisOptimum]

And for that reason alone, I can see the Spanish logic. Keeping angry balloons like that off their roads.

Being more serious, can't argue with the Spanish exercising sovereignty and control over their laws. Its what's Brexit was all about, right?

At least they know what we were voting for in 2016, we are still trying fathom it out.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Can just see the rage right now.

What do they mean I can't drive with third country status driving licences, Don't you know I'm ingerlish.

Hilarious. How can anyone try and act the big man when driving a clapped put old car like that

 

[Jebus_lives]

I don't believe it is the direction of travel we will take.

I don't recall you asking me that question. I likely had you on ignore at the time. But in answer, fleet of foot. Haven't a clue what you're talking about. EU regulations, well trade deals obviously and we are also well out of the CFP and CAP. Laws? Not sure tbh, maybe state aid and that sort of thing. I certainly don't think we will be diminishing any of our human rights, workers rights goods standards and the like. The UK public wouldn't stand for it and they will be out on their ears at the next election.

Out of curiosity @Barnfred 55 do you still think we aren't pushing for 'diminishing workers rights, human rights, standards and the like?'

Human Rights

ECHR - both leadership candidates have said they want to back out, the Attorney General has said it's necessary to leave in order to 'get on with Brexit'. The argument is that it is not allowing us to 'take back control of our borders' and deport asylum seekers to Rwanda.

What is the European Convention on Human Rights?

The current favourite to be Tory leader blames the pact for stopping Britain from being able to cut illegal immigration

www.standard.co.uk

it's a pretty long standing Tory policy to repeal the HRA, they've been stopped by virtue of EU law.

Human Rights Act is not safe after Brexit

In its response to a letter from the House of Lords EU Justice Sub-Committee, the Government has failed to give assurances that it will not repeal or replace the Human Rights Act – a stark contrast to its proclaimed commitment to ‘shared values of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms'

www.parliament.uk

Workers Rights
decent explainer here:

Ministers’ Brexit law plans could sink future workers’ rights wins

Plans to give precedence to domestic law over EU-derived law could have dramatic effects on workers' rights, despite a major court win secured by plumber Gary Smith over holiday pay.

www.tuc.org.uk

Truss has stated she wants to ban strike action - not possible in the EU and not possible under ECHR.

Judicial Review bill currently making its way through Parliament which wants to give ministers the power to overturn court decisions they don't agree with.

Judicial independence is under threat in Britain

Tory claims that judges intrude too much into politics are wrong and dangerous

www.economist.com

Goods and standards

Trade Bill: UK Government votes to allow food imports with lower environmental standards - edie

The UK Government is being accused of backtracking on non-regression pledges around post-Brexit food standards, after MPs voted against amendments to the trade bill this week.

www.edie.net

Also @nsno-chris comments about reduction in standards.

We're still a significant amount of time away from a General Election with a leadership contest courting the more extreme elements of the party.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Out of curiosity @Barnfred 55 do you still think we aren't pushing for 'diminishing workers rights, human rights, standards and the like?'

Human Rights

ECHR - both leadership candidates have said they want to back out, the Attorney General has said it's necessary to leave in order to 'get on with Brexit'. The argument is that it is not allowing us to 'take back control of our borders' and deport asylum seekers to Rwanda.

What is the European Convention on Human Rights?

The current favourite to be Tory leader blames the pact for stopping Britain from being able to cut illegal immigration

www.standard.co.uk

it's a pretty long standing Tory policy to repeal the HRA, they've been stopped by virtue of EU law.

Human Rights Act is not safe after Brexit

In its response to a letter from the House of Lords EU Justice Sub-Committee, the Government has failed to give assurances that it will not repeal or replace the Human Rights Act – a stark contrast to its proclaimed commitment to ‘shared values of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms'

www.parliament.uk

Workers Rights
decent explainer here:

Ministers’ Brexit law plans could sink future workers’ rights wins

Plans to give precedence to domestic law over EU-derived law could have dramatic effects on workers' rights, despite a major court win secured by plumber Gary Smith over holiday pay.

www.tuc.org.uk

Truss has stated she wants to ban strike action - not possible in the EU and not possible under ECHR.

Judicial Review bill currently making its way through Parliament which wants to give ministers the power to overturn court decisions they don't agree with.

Judicial independence is under threat in Britain

Tory claims that judges intrude too much into politics are wrong and dangerous

www.economist.com

Goods and standards

Trade Bill: UK Government votes to allow food imports with lower environmental standards - edie

The UK Government is being accused of backtracking on non-regression pledges around post-Brexit food standards, after MPs voted against amendments to the trade bill this week.

www.edie.net

Also @nsno-chris comments about reduction in standards.

We're still a significant amount of time away from a General Election with a leadership contest courting the more extreme elements of the party.

That's perhaps the scary thing. When we say extreme here we're not talking about Tommy Robinson types but more 100,000 or so Pete clones

The people about to choose Britain’s next prime minister

Despite rumours to the contrary, the Tory faithful are exactly what you might imagine

www.economist.com

 

[Jebus_lives]

That's perhaps the scary thing. When we say extreme here we're not talking about Tommy Robinson types but more 100,000 or so Pete clones

The people about to choose Britain’s next prime minister

Despite rumours to the contrary, the Tory faithful are exactly what you might imagine

www.economist.com

Well quite and also those who hear "cutting red tape" without realising it's there for a reason.

 

[Drico]

I honestly could not understand why folk thought it was a good idea that our nutty overlords should be allowed to diverge from European standards, which were always a minimum, so we could arguably implicitly apply higher ones. Which of course does not happen. Did people really think the British Government would suddenly be demanding higher standards? Lol, no, they'll just cut through the 'red tape' as you say and we'll all be eating McRat with Fleas. Or sommat.

Very true. Some would say self-evidently true. The only "higher standards" Rees-Mogg and co demand is a higher standard of exploitation of the plebs. Brexit has opened this up to him and his ilk and the average person is going to suffer big time - as we are already seeing. And the inevitable trade war hasn't even started yet. That's one war the UK is very definitely not going to win. Would you trust Liz Truss to avoid that? I think she's going to walk head first into it - and will soon find her head detached from her neck. Grim days ahead.

 

[Amw79]

Yeah, can’t see any potential issues with this.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's almost like people were hoodwinked.

 

[Prevenger17]

It's almost like people were hoodwinked.

Lolling at that. It's so wrong in such specific ways, it's almost like a satirical video made after the fact

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Lolling at that. It's so wrong in such specific ways, it's almost like a satirical video made after the fact

And yet when you read the replies you still get people saying "yeah but we only really left a few years ago and we've had war and pestilence since then, so, y'know, those benefits are just around the corner once we get fair wind..."

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It's almost like people were hoodwinked.

"We knew what we were voting for..."

 

[random]

Yeah, can’t see any potential issues with this.

Anyone who passed their car test before 1997 can drive them without taking an extra test anyway iirc

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Yeah, can’t see any potential issues with this.

Bit misleading I think. All of these look over that weight in the image. Shapps lol

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Bit misleading I think. All of these look over that weight in the image. Shapps lol

Yes, it's probably not going to help with the HGV driver shortage.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Bit misleading I think. All of these look over that weight in the image. Shapps lol

Back to Shapps. The overall impression I have of him is being a sort of Danny Devito style twin of Tony Blair. A sort of shrunken less good specimen of the same genus. Physically, mentally and politically.

Which of course is not good on a multitude of levels.

Edit: mumsnet also agree. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/coronavirus/3909130-Doesnt-grant-shapps-look-like-Tony-Blair "hobbity Tony Blair" ?