Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Haydn said:
This is the thing I don’t understand. I get that some people believed that leaving the EU was a good thing. If they genuinely understood the many complexities and nuanced arguments that this involved, fair play to them.

If they did understand what was involved, wtf would you trust a bunch of half-witted intellectual pygmies to negotiate on your behalf ?

It’s like deciding to get divorced and insisting you are represented in court by the village idiot.
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We have Suella Braverman as Attorney General so that's not too wide of the mark.
 
edge said:
I will give you one there are more jobs available and at the lower paid are seeing the wages rise, and choice of jobs, because there isn't a market now of cheap labour for big business to tap.into.
Which I said for before the vote, look at farming jobs ect.,all getting miles higher wages
I would sooner take what I have seen with my own experience as proof, than an antidote from a paper story , If you have personally seen it fair enough .
For the record I have been away quite a few times since the vote still hadn't seen the problem your talking about. Not taken just the one instance.
Plenty of other problems at airports but not that one, and if you took your blinkers of you would know the airports throughout Europe are all having problems not just the UK.
Massive queue 's at Greek airports, two Spanish airline unions going on strike, Amsterdam being like a cattle market ect
I have said if you and others are interested in my views on why I wanted to leave.,
They are in this thread, I hadn't delete anything.
I am not spending my time relating what I have said over the years in a never ending loop in this thread just to please you or anybody else.
If your late to the thread don't expect me to give you a commentary of two or three years or so worth of posting.
I can state my views on any subject at the time of posting unlike some I am not so entrenched in my views, I can and will change my mind as time and situations dictate
I don't need to justify it to you or any other condescending poster every few posts.
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I don't think you'll have answered previously, so apologies if you have, but what would your solution be, based upon available options?
 
Jebus_lives said:
I don't think you'll have answered previously, so apologies if you have, but what would your solution be, based upon available options?
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Get rid of this government for a start, you can't trust them to keep there word either towards any agreement or the aims they are supposed to represent.
I would honestly look at what people wanted out of a relationship with the EU, its not really just my side have won the other side get to fk.
Both sides should have a say.
To move on there has to be an adult debate about the future outside of the EU as we will not be going back any time soon, even if we did it would take years.
The relationship with the EU needs resetting, don't think either side has coverd themselves in glory , your not getting that with the current government.
From a personal point of view I would like the people of Ireland to say if they wanted to remain in the union with us or join the republic , I think there will be a United Ireland in the coming years anyway may as well get it out of the way.
I might be wrong but to me it's seems to me this government is trying to play to the crowd rather than deal with the issues in front of it, honestly wouldnt put it passed them to walk away from the agreement to create a smokescreen at home for there short coming and dress the next election as look we are standing up for you against the big bad EU.
There is a reset going on in the country at the moment, people are waking up to the government, come the winter the cost of living will hit with a vengeance.
Business are going to have to accept the race to the bottom is over, nobody is going to accept the conditions on offer for minimum wages even if you could why would anybody choose to get up at the crack of dawn and work your bollocks off for the same wage as doing a far easier job?
I wouldn't, I guarantee you those people taking the jobs like at Manchester airport for £9.60 an hour will be leaving in there droves once the reality of the job hits home, I have done it thirty years a go and was on more then than they are now, it's a hard job believe me and we had a lot more staff the company's response will long term to have to bite the bullet and pay a decent wage and keep a workforce of face the problems just happening over and over again.
How this government reactions to the changes will be to try and not to accept it ,
how they move I don't know , going on there history of looking for a bogeyman I have a feeling it will be the EU.
I wish there was an easy answer mate but in all.honesty I don't know it.
 
With the draft law presented today for #NordirlandProtokoll , London is breaking agreements unilaterally. And from transparent, own motives. We cannot accept that in #EU . We will react as one to this breach of trust.

 
edge said:
Get rid of this government for a start, you can't trust them to keep there word either towards any agreement or the aims they are supposed to represent.
I would honestly look at what people wanted out of a relationship with the EU, its not really just my side have won the other side get to fk.
Both sides should have a say.
To move on there has to be an adult debate about the future outside of the EU as we will not be going back any time soon, even if we did it would take years.
The relationship with the EU needs resetting, don't think either side has coverd themselves in glory , your not getting that with the current government.
From a personal point of view I would like the people of Ireland to say if they wanted to remain in the union with us or join the republic , I think there will be a United Ireland in the coming years anyway may as well get it out of the way.
I might be wrong but to me it's seems to me this government is trying to play to the crowd rather than deal with the issues in front of it, honestly wouldnt put it passed them to walk away from the agreement to create a smokescreen at home for there short coming and dress the next election as look we are standing up for you against the big bad EU.
There is a reset going on in the country at the moment, people are waking up to the government, come the winter the cost of living will hit with a vengeance.
Business are going to have to accept the race to the bottom is over, nobody is going to accept the conditions on offer for minimum wages even if you could why would anybody choose to get up at the crack of dawn and work your bollocks off for the same wage as doing a far easier job?
I wouldn't, I guarantee you those people taking the jobs like at Manchester airport for £9.60 an hour will be leaving in there droves once the reality of the job hits home, I have done it thirty years a go and was on more then than they are now, it's a hard job believe me and we had a lot more staff the company's response will long term to have to bite the bullet and pay a decent wage.
How this government reacts to the changes will be not to accept it how they move I don't know , going on there history of looking for a bogeyman I have a feeling it will be the EU.
I wish there was an easy answer mate but in all.honesty I don't know it.
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I agree we aren't going back in the EU any time soon. The EU won't go for it and we would need to have sustained commitment to it and policy of integration for that to happen.

Presently we have neither.

I do wonder if the direction is that we try to re-enter the single market.
 
Jebus_lives said:
I agree we aren't going back in the EU any time soon. The EU won't go for it and we would need to have sustained commitment to it and policy of integration for that to happen.

Presently we have neither.

I do wonder if the direction is that we try to re-enter the single market.
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Don't know mate.
Didn't some Tory say that the other week might have been testing the water?
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I don't believe it is the direction of travel we will take.

I don't recall you asking me that question. I likely had you on ignore at the time. But in answer, fleet of foot. Haven't a clue what you're talking about. EU regulations, well trade deals obviously and we are also well out of the CFP and CAP. Laws? Not sure tbh, maybe state aid and that sort of thing. I certainly don't think we will be diminishing any of our human rights, workers rights goods standards and the like. The UK public wouldn't stand for it and they will be out on their ears at the next election.
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What do you think now @Barnfred 55 ?
 
edge said:
Get rid of this government for a start, you can't trust them to keep there word either towards any agreement or the aims they are supposed to represent.
I would honestly look at what people wanted out of a relationship with the EU, its not really just my side have won the other side get to fk.
Both sides should have a say.
To move on there has to be an adult debate about the future outside of the EU as we will not be going back any time soon, even if we did it would take years.
The relationship with the EU needs resetting, don't think either side has coverd themselves in glory , your not getting that with the current government.
From a personal point of view I would like the people of Ireland to say if they wanted to remain in the union with us or join the republic , I think there will be a United Ireland in the coming years anyway may as well get it out of the way.
I might be wrong but to me it's seems to me this government is trying to play to the crowd rather than deal with the issues in front of it, honestly wouldnt put it passed them to walk away from the agreement to create a smokescreen at home for there short coming and dress the next election as look we are standing up for you against the big bad EU.
There is a reset going on in the country at the moment, people are waking up to the government, come the winter the cost of living will hit with a vengeance.
Business are going to have to accept the race to the bottom is over, nobody is going to accept the conditions on offer for minimum wages even if you could why would anybody choose to get up at the crack of dawn and work your bollocks off for the same wage as doing a far easier job?
I wouldn't, I guarantee you those people taking the jobs like at Manchester airport for £9.60 an hour will be leaving in there droves once the reality of the job hits home, I have done it thirty years a go and was on more then than they are now, it's a hard job believe me and we had a lot more staff the company's response will long term to have to bite the bullet and pay a decent wage and keep a workforce of face the problems just happening over and over again.
How this government reactions to the changes will be to try and not to accept it ,
how they move I don't know , going on there history of looking for a bogeyman I have a feeling it will be the EU.
I wish there was an easy answer mate but in all.honesty I don't know it.
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Looks about right to me.

My hope is people don't fall for it again.
 
edge said:
Get rid of this government for a start, you can't trust them to keep there word either towards any agreement or the aims they are supposed to represent.
I would honestly look at what people wanted out of a relationship with the EU, its not really just my side have won the other side get to fk.
Both sides should have a say.
To move on there has to be an adult debate about the future outside of the EU as we will not be going back any time soon, even if we did it would take years.
The relationship with the EU needs resetting, don't think either side has coverd themselves in glory , your not getting that with the current government.
From a personal point of view I would like the people of Ireland to say if they wanted to remain in the union with us or join the republic , I think there will be a United Ireland in the coming years anyway may as well get it out of the way.
I might be wrong but to me it's seems to me this government is trying to play to the crowd rather than deal with the issues in front of it, honestly wouldnt put it passed them to walk away from the agreement to create a smokescreen at home for there short coming and dress the next election as look we are standing up for you against the big bad EU.
There is a reset going on in the country at the moment, people are waking up to the government, come the winter the cost of living will hit with a vengeance.
Business are going to have to accept the race to the bottom is over, nobody is going to accept the conditions on offer for minimum wages even if you could why would anybody choose to get up at the crack of dawn and work your bollocks off for the same wage as doing a far easier job?
I wouldn't, I guarantee you those people taking the jobs like at Manchester airport for £9.60 an hour will be leaving in there droves once the reality of the job hits home, I have done it thirty years a go and was on more then than they are now, it's a hard job believe me and we had a lot more staff the company's response will long term to have to bite the bullet and pay a decent wage and keep a workforce of face the problems just happening over and over again.
How this government reactions to the changes will be to try and not to accept it ,
how they move I don't know , going on there history of looking for a bogeyman I have a feeling it will be the EU.
I wish there was an easy answer mate but in all.honesty I don't know it.
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I agree with a lot of this but the problem with the last few paragraphs is that the cost of living crisis will result in a race to the bottom - people might have to take those jobs (or accept their current terms and conditions worsening) in order to try and keep their heads above water. A lot of firms probably won't be able to pay decent wages either in a recession.

Government urgently needs to examine ways that the cost of living can be reduced which doesn't involve more money in wages or benefits - since most money goes on housing and transport, I'd start with there. Freezing mortgage interest rate rises and rent increases would help, as would if things get really bad revaluing the value of mortgages based on their value to the bank. For transport, encouraging a scrappage scheme for diesel cars especially (but then going on to include petrol), cheapening (and increasing by building more rail lines) the supply of public transport and making car-sharing more viable would also reduce the cost that people are exposed to, as would encouraging people not to take short trips of the kind so many people do.
 
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