Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

I think you'll find it's an elected oligarchy. Why stop with leaving the EU if you want local self-determination? Is it the responsibility that frightens you, or the lack of opportunity to destroy patio furniture?

As opposed to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?

Oh come on, please indulge in sensible debate. We have always had an 'elected dictatorship' of the ruling party at the time. Do you not see that?

The simple difference is that we will be governed by elected representatives, voted in by the people of BG (for better or worse) rather than being dictated to by the Brussels bureaucrats as to what we can and cannot do. It really is as simple as thath.

 

[Old Blue 2]

You've still not digesting it though I see.

In your desire to try and clambour onto some faux moral high ground, you've decided to miss the simple point I made.

May (not me) has clearly said this week that immigration was the key factor in the vote. Her decision to make that issue a non negotiable as a result is pandering to that section of the electorate. Personally I thought the vote was a vote to remain or leave the EU, I must have missed the question about immigration on the ballot paper.

Again, you show a lack of understanding about the 'leave' decision taken by 17 Million+ people. If you think the sole issue was immigration, then really, you have no idea about a whole slew of things that influenced the 'out' vote. And for as long as that remains, then there really is no point in discussing things further with you because, as I have said before, you just clutch at straws, your latest being May.

I'm not going to even bother to read your further posts, let alone reply to them, as it is a total waste of time...

 

[orly]

Since June 23rd the pound has hit a 31 year low against the dollar, it's never got anywhere near 'fluctuating' back to where it was prior to June 23rd.

In short you're talking out yer hoop.

Equally, it can't be expected to rise exponentially.

A period of readjustment can be healthy.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Equally, it can't be expected to rise exponentially.

A period of readjustment can be healthy.

You can only talk up the benefits of a falling currency for so long....

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff41d1c-8a32-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731

 

[Old Blue 2]

I think you'll find it's an elected oligarchy. Why stop with leaving the EU if you want local self-determination? Is it the responsibility that frightens you, or the lack of opportunity to destroy patio furniture?

This post clearly displays the refuge of the defeated. Whatever are you on about?

I've never mentioned local self-determination.

Responsibility has never frightened me. I can't be arsed telling you the level of responsibility I had when in work.

Patio furniture? I think the Yanks call that 'coming in from left field'.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

When we leave......we haven't left yet......

You're also guaranteeing that money in 2019 then mate?

 

[orchard]

Tbf, the currency had been tanking for a fair period prior to Brexit like

 

[peteblue]

I think it'll drop further post the invoking of article 50. I can see the pound hitting about 1.15 against the dollar

I can see that as well......We will then be accused of deliberately lowering the value of Sterling in order to gain trade advantages......

 

[orchard]

This post clearly displays the refuge of the defeated. Whatever are you on about?

I've never mentioned local self-determination.

Responsibility has never frightened me. I can't be arsed telling you the level of responsibility I had when in work.

Patio furniture? I think the Yanks call that 'coming in from left field'.

Did you take the sarnie order ?

 

[peteblue]

You're also guaranteeing that money in 2019 then mate?

I can't guarantee anything. But the government will sort out what to do with the money we save by not sending it to the EU. I'm pretty sure that the NHS will get it's share.......

 

[Joey66]

By the evidence of the replies this morning I think we all know which side of the discussion is desperate.

Please tell me why Sterling is continuing to slide on the world's currency markets?

I thought this piece of commentary this morning reflects investor concerns accurately:

"Regardless of the exact reason behind the overnight crash, there emerges an overarching point: it is not just about the UK’s free access to the single market and trade becoming costlier; investors are now perplexed by the country’s vision on immigration, openness and business-friendliness. This will be detrimental to the outlook for sterling given the global status that the UK has enjoyed for so many years."

evidently it was a computer glitch the pound as bounced back the BOE are carrying out an investigation this am probably looking for a member of the GOT to win an argument on the threadlol
Markets will vary its on the slide I imagine the hard brexit proposed this week by May this week has made the currency market wary I imagine in the end the brexit negotiations will be somewhere between hard and soft Brexit it just posturing at the moment by the EU and the Government as they stated it will be a bumpy ride till it gets finalised then we shall see how much better we are as an individual self governing country outside the EU but I would imagine trading in the Eu market but not obligated to have their stupid rules!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Again, you show a lack of understanding about the 'leave' decision taken by 17 Million+ people. If you think the sole issue was immigration, then really, you have no idea about a whole slew of things that influenced the 'out' vote. And for as long as that remains, then there really is no poin in discussing things further with you because, as I have said before, you just clutch at straws, your lates being May.

I'm not going to even bother to read your further posts, let alone reply to them, as it is a total waste of time...

Again you can't appear to grasp what's being said, choosing instead to create your own narrative.

May's words not mine, restricting immigration is more important than access to the single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...oritises-immigration-curbs-over-free-movement

 

[orchard]

The simple difference is that we will be governed by elected representatives, voted in by the people of GB (for better or worse) rather than being dictated to by the Brussels bureaucrats as to what we can and cannot do

BTW, I think this may have something to do with more self-determination, that you have denied. My point, fwiw, is why, logically (look it up on Google), one would wish to stop short with an elected oligarchy rather than take it to a sound conclusion.

 

[Joey66]

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I did read it. That's why I replied the way I did. Do you not understand that?

This is what you said about xenophobia: "...My kind think that ploughing on down the path of hard Brexit - solely to appease the bigots and xenophobes over immigration..." What has been said cannot be unsaid...

got shot down yesterday for suggesting the survey on who worked where in the uk was no more than a survey others claimed it was something way more scary against immigrants - Yet on Question time last night the USA have been doing this survey for years with USA companies with no complaints ?

 

[peteblue]

Again you can't appear to grasp what's being said, choosing instead to create your own narrative.

May's words not mine, restricting immigration is more important than access to the single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...oritises-immigration-curbs-over-free-movement

She actually said "regaining control" , not restricting......a subtle difference

"Theresa May has given her strongest indication yet that the UK’s exit from the EU will lean towards a “hard Brexit”, suggesting that regaining control of immigration was more important than access to the single market."