Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

I think it's inevitable. Hundreds of years of European history suggests integration will end badly.

Because of nationalist squabbling, which we have contributed hugely to. Good job Britain.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Because of nationalist squabbling, which we have contributed hugely to. Good job Britain.

Mainly an unwillingness between France and Germany to cooperate actually.

The EU could have worked well. But the common currency put an end to that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Mainly an unwillingness between France and Germany to cooperate actually.

The EU could have worked well. But the common currency put an end to that.

You don't see any link between Brexit and the policies of Hungarian and Austrian governments? Or the rise of Le Pen and Wilders in France and the Netherlands, or even the struggles Merkel is facing in Germany?

 

[ToffeeTim]

You don't see any link between Brexit and the policies of Hungarian and Austrian governments? Or the rise of Le Pen and Wilders in France and the Netherlands, or even the struggles Merkel is facing in Germany?

Of course there's some links. But the anti EU movement in the UK is nowhere near as bad and extreme as some of those you've mentioned. We have some utterly lamentable people on the far right and the far left in this country, but I don't think you can compare brexit voters with say Front Nationale voters. This was a democratic exercise.

For example I voted leave but I don't like UKIP. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just like labour MPs like Kate Hoey voted leave but I doubt she's joining the Ukippers any time soon.

I think a European Union is worthwhile. But not this one we have. The ideal is for it to disintegrate and we can start from scratch with a trade based union which is what it should always have been. Political union will never work. Nor is it good.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course there's some links. But the anti EU movement in the UK is nowhere near as bad and extreme as some of those you've mentioned. We have some utterly lamentable people on the far right and the far left in this country, but I don't think you can compare brexit voters with say Front Nationale voters. This was a democratic exercise.

For example I voted leave but I don't like UKIP. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just like labour MPs like Kate Hoey voted leave but I doubt she's joining the Ukippers any time soon.

I think a European Union is worthwhile. But not this one we have. The ideal is for it to disintegrate and we can start from scratch with a trade based union which is what it should always have been. Political union will never work. Nor is it good.

For sure, I'm not comparing them, I'm saying that we have put wind in their sails

 

[ToffeeDoug]

The company I ultimately work for (the Group Plc as we are a subsidiary) has a strong € exposure in its earnings and its share price has jumped nearly 5% (19p) this morning following a favourable target price rating from Barclays.

 

[wikofootball]

Its a financial disaster. Coming out of the EU Boris Johnson thinks you can have your cake and eat it

 

[orchard]

Its a financial disaster. Coming out of the EU Boris Johnson thinks you can have your cake and eat it

More like, he can eat someone else's cake whilst keeping his own.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

When is the NHS money coming in?

 

[peteblue]

Can you imagine a scenario as such....

A hugely successful company with long term contracts tied to their nearest and most accessible clients, decide to unilaterally cancel those contracts with no idea of the future commercial relationships with those clients just because the shareholders happen not to like/share the same values as their clients?

Can you imagine being a board member of said company who says, because the shareholders are objecting we'd better cancel existing relationships and try and renegotiate, even though we don't know how or whether we'll be able to do business with those clients in the future?

That's exactly the position "UK plc" finds itself today.

Who on earth can say that in this position we are in a better position than our previous contractual relationship?

This is why Sterling is falling through the floor - in the example given, Sterling is a proxy for the share price of UK plc. It's a reflection of future prospects.

The shareholders (voters) may have spoken but the duty of the board (Government) is to act in the best fiduciary interests of those shareholders.

This Government (board) shows no desire or ability to do so. What a crazy world we live in...

No Esk, terrible analogy. If it was the top scenario, ie trade between two or even more companies then there would be no issue, just like trade between the UK Germany and France. But there is another body involved, the EU, which insists on writing more and more rules for your company to obey and is not so secretly trying to merge all the companies. In addition it demands that your company pays in Billions in order to help out other under performing companies.....

If you want to use scenarios at least make them relevant....desperate stuff.......

 

[peteblue]

When is the NHS money coming in?

When we leave......we haven't left yet......

 

[peteblue]

Its a financial disaster. Coming out of the EU Boris Johnson thinks you can have your cake and eat it

In what way. Can you point to something that shows we are in a financial disaster........

 

[Old Blue 2]

No, it's quite clearly not rubbish.

GBP fluctuates based on supply and demand in the foreign exchange market. The pound has devalued massively since June 24 and this is because Brexit will reduce foreign investment coming into the UK which will therefore reduce the demand for GBP which is what @The Esk alludes to. As demand drops, the price that market equilibrium is reached at drops.

Also, what do you think other countries are going to say? "No, we don't want to trade." Other countries smell blood in the water and if you think Boris and the rest of the bumbling fools will go around clicking their fingers, getting countries to lie down and give us great trade deals with no concessions because you saw them on the news saying "yes, we will trade with the UK," you're in absolute dreamland.

Look folks, another 'Remain' crier...

 

[Prevenger17]

In a word, Esk, rubbish!

What you attempt to compare bears no comparison, for starters. Go back to the early-to-mid '70s and see what the ground was like then. Then look at the bureaucratic monster the EU is today. Are you sure you're not Juncker...? Come back at me in 5 years and tell me what the EU looks like then.

Sterling has been,and always will be, in the control of the money men. Remember them? The ones who made a complete arse of things in the middle of the last decade. Fact is, the £ against the $ or any other currency will always fluctuate. I did NOT see you saying anything when it was healthy a month or so ago. You did NOT post when other countries were saying they were looking forward to trading with us in the future. Selective posting, 100%. Shame on you!

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you don't fool this guy for one second.

I will not repeat what has been said on numerous occasions already in this thread...

Woah

 

[Old Blue 2]

What absolute nonsensical, clueless drivel that is.

You epitomise the absolute cluelessness that exists around the economic fallout from the proposed 'hard Brexit'

Rule Britania

Look folks, another 'Remain' crier.

Your kind bore the tits off me. It is YOU and your like who haven't a clue as to how dictatorial the EU has become. You just want to paddle around in the safety of the 'status quo' and be dictated to by European gobshites for ever and a day. And that's a fact, matey. Beggers belief! Wake up to reality...