Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Prevenger17]

Look folks, another 'Remain' crier.

Your kind bore the tits off me. It is YOU and your like who haven't a clue as to how dictatorial the EU has become. You just want to paddle around in the safety of the 'status quo' and be dictated to by European gobshites for ever and a day. And that's a fact, matey. Beggers belief! Wake up to reality...

Woah

 

[Prevenger17]

Old Blue taking names here

 

[peteblue]

You don't see any link between Brexit and the policies of Hungarian and Austrian governments? Or the rise of Le Pen and Wilders in France and the Netherlands, or even the struggles Merkel is facing in Germany?

Brexit has nothing to do with what those other Governments and political parties are doing. Brexit was voted for by 17.4M people and was about how we wish our relationship with the EU to be. The vast majority are neither hard left nor hard right. The policies of Hungary and Austria are a direct result of that idiot Merkel. Both France and the Netherlands have in the past voted against EU treaties only to have them renamed and shoved down their throats anyway. Merkel is struggling because she made the single biggest political mistake she has ever made, and her ego refuses to let her back down. She has caused absolute chaos for the countries around her.......

 

[peteblue]

Old Blue taking names here

But he's right though......

 

[Prevenger17]

But he's right though......

I'm not clued in enough to claim otherwise.

 

[peteblue]

Because of nationalist squabbling, which we have contributed hugely to. Good job Britain.

Tbf, good old Britain mostly sat on the outside until the Napoleons and Hitlers did their bit of European unification and then Britain had to get involved. We were always quite happy on the outside.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Look folks, another 'Remain' crier.

Your kind bore the tits off me. It is YOU and your like who haven't a clue as to how dictatorial the EU has become. You just want to paddle around in the safety of the 'status quo' and be dictated to by European gobshites for ever and a day. And that's a fact, matey. Beggers belief! Wake up to reality...

My kind think that ploughing on down the path of hard Brexit - solely to appease the bigots and xenophobes over immigration, is going to result in massive economic pain for the UK

Those on low incomes with the least disposable income will feel it the worst. Ironic given how some of the labour working class heartlands being suckered in by the far right has ultimately been the reason we're now on this path.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not clued in enough to claim otherwise.

Hahahaha........nice one........

 

[peteblue]

My kind think that ploughing on down the path of hard Brexit - solely to appease the bigots and xenophobes over immigration, is going to result in massive economic pain for the UK

Those on low incomes with the least disposable income will feel it the worst. Ironic given how some of the labour working class heartlands being suckered in by the far right has ultimately been the reason we're now on this path.

17.4 Million people. How many are bigots and xenophobes ? That's a terrible view that you hold and the use of those words really doesn't help your point..........

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

17.4 Million people. How many are bigots and xenophobes ? That's a terrible view that you hold and the use of those words really doesn't help your point..........

You're trying to create a straw man argument Pete.

Try absorbing the facts. May is now seemingly committed to hard Brexit as she has decided that the immigration issue was the prime factor in the vote. In order to appease those voters she's going to take us down the hard Brexit route. That route will without doubt cause us huge economic damage, and for what?

 

[Prevenger17]

Your trying to create a straw man argument Pete

*You're

 

[The Esk]

No Esk, terrible analogy. If it was the top scenario, ie trade between two or even more companies then there would be no issue, just like trade between the UK Germany and France. But there is another body involved, the EU, which insists on writing more and more rules for your company to obey and is not so secretly trying to merge all the companies. In addition it demands that your company pays in Billions in order to help out other under performing companies.....

If you want to use scenarios at least make them relevant....desperate stuff.......

By the evidence of the replies this morning I think we all know which side of the discussion is desperate.

Please tell me why Sterling is continuing to slide on the world's currency markets?

I thought this piece of commentary this morning reflects investor concerns accurately:

"Regardless of the exact reason behind the overnight crash, there emerges an overarching point: it is not just about the UK’s free access to the single market and trade becoming costlier; investors are now perplexed by the country’s vision on immigration, openness and business-friendliness. This will be detrimental to the outlook for sterling given the global status that the UK has enjoyed for so many years."

 

[Prevenger17]

Please tell me why Sterling is continuing to slide on the world's currency markets?

Because of short-term uncertainty?

 

[Old Blue 2]

My kind think that ploughing on down the path of hard Brexit - solely to appease the bigots and xenophobes over immigration, is going to result in massive economic pain for the UK

Those on low incomes with the least disposable income will feel it the worst. Ironic given how some of the labour working class heartlands being suckered in by the far right has ultimately been the reason we're now on this path.

You are a fool if you think that 17 million+ people in this country are bigots and xenophobes over immigration. Immigration is the tag that people like you have latched onto, and paraded it around in order to pour scorn on those who voted out; those who know and knew better than to stay with an organisation whose ruling members in the main do not give a [Poor language removed] about Great Britain, and have attempted to do some pathetic sabre-rattling to try to unsettle us since the 'out' vote.

So give me evidence of massive economic pain for the UK in the future (you did talk about the future with that phrase, since you used the term: 'going to result'. Enlighten me and everyone else with your crystal ball, please...

You haven't a clue about low income and the impact it has, and how it shapes their life. I worked among it all for over 30 years, so don't parade that [Poor language removed] in front of me. The Government of the day, by way of setting benefit rates, and all the ancillary amending regulations related thereto, dictate the income of those not in work. And that's a fact, like it or not.

 

[peteblue]

You're trying to create a straw man argument Pete.

Try absorbing the facts. May is now seemingly committed to hard Brexit as she has decided that the immigration issue was the prime factor in the vote. In order to appease those voters she's going to take us down the hard Brexit route. That route will without doubt cause us huge economic damage, and for what?

She is doing no different to what the other European leaders are doing. They keep saying that free movement is sacrosanct and she keeps saying free movement will not be accepted. They are both starting points for negotiation.....