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[Gabagool]

Certainly you’ve just confirmed that most of the key Eu members have a ‘rich’ for want of a better word - colonial past - why would it so easily be forgotten by them?

This angle would play better if the British themselves weren't arguably the single largest benefactor from slavery, colonialism and imperialism over the past 800 years

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The French do.

its an interesting point actually, and one that is missed by most British people - and that is the EU and it’s ability to survive and thrive is politically of paramount importance to its participants. And actually I don’t blame them for that.

I’m very much aware that they do, but the Eu as an institution doesn’t.
This is a bananas argument.

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

Certainly you’ve just confirmed that most of the key Eu members have a ‘rich’ for want of a better word - colonial past - why would it so easily be forgotten by them?

The loss of the colonies after the second world war was one of the key factors in forming the predecessor of the EU. The other one: preventing war amonst the European people.

Don't get the point about the colonies though. It's due to the loss of the riches of India & other regions that the UK was ''begging'' to get into the UK. Charles De Gaulle vetoed that in the sixties...

 

[Kev The Rat]

I’m very much aware that they do, but the Eu as an institution doesn’t.
This is a bananas argument.

So you’ve just accepted that they’ve got expansionist motives. Ok. The point I was raising was that I think they would take us back with a few vague promises of acquiescence on our part, due to the fact that it would appeal to that very notion of expansionism. They’d trumpet it as a conquered nation surrendering.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

So you’ve just accepted that they’ve got expansionist motives. Ok. The point I was raising was that I think they would take us back with a few vague promises of acquiescence on our part, due to the fact that it would appeal to that very notion of expansionism. They’d trumpet it as a conquered nation surrendering.

I doubt they would. This is all relatively pointless as the U.K. is not going to return at any point in the next 20 odd years. Certainly not the way it was before anyways.

 

[Kurt.]

All the leave knobheads need to take ownership of this mess

 

[Kev The Rat]

All the leave knobheads need to take ownership of this mess

If you mean the voters how can they as they don’t have the power to make policy.

if the government fail to plan/prepare for this then it’s the government that’s to blame.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

By no arguments at all I meant if we subjugated ourselves to them completely.

obviously if we tried to negotiate a brexit lite it wouldn’t work. As you say they are colonialists and imperialists out for revenge.

Although having said that we are well-known for wriggling or trying to wriggle out of deals (protocol etc) so all they would have is our promise not to ‘act up’ in the future. Even so due to the level of vanity involved in the eu project I think they’d take it tbh.

They’d paint it as a conquered nation crawling for mercy on their hands and knees. Which it would be actually if it transpired.

Mate it's the UK trying to wriggle out of the Protocol that was signed only a few months ago.

 

[Kurt.]

If you mean the voters how can they as they don’t have the power to make policy.

if the government fail to plan/prepare for this then it’s the government that’s to blame.

They should have realised their polarising vote would have a detrimental effect on our country….. instead of being mainly massive racist bellends .

 

[Kev The Rat]

Mate it's the UK trying to wriggle out of the Protocol that was signed only a few months ago.

Yes I was referring to the uk

 

[Kev The Rat]

They should have realised their polarising vote would have a detrimental effect on our country….. instead of being mainly massive racist bellends .

Moving away from the usual sensationalist statements, I think at a realpolitik level what we are seeing now is an abject failure of government in terms of preparing for life outside the eu. Had we provided more incentives for British firms to hire our native workers for example we wouldn’t be facing the employment shortages we now see.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Moving away from the usual sensationalist statements, I think at a realpolitik level what we are seeing now is an abject failure of government in terms of preparing for life outside the eu. Had we provided more incentives for British firms to hire our native workers for example we wouldn’t be facing the employment shortages we now see.

People are not generally unemployed because they lack access to jobs but because they lack the skills required to do those jobs (or the jobs are not in their area). For instance, across industry there is a huge shortage of people with digital skills and it's hardly as though companies are tight arses not willing to pay to access those skills, it's just that the skills don't exist. For truck drivers it's obviously somewhat different as it's location specific, but for things like digital work, if we don't have the skills here or cannot import the people with the skills, then the work will simply go to where the skills are instead.

Czech is a great example of this in action, as they have almost no unemployment, a prime minister saying they don't want immigration, and a digital skills shortage in the tens of thousands. All it will mean is the jobs will go outside the country.

 

[jamieni]

I doubt they would. This is all relatively pointless as the U.K. is not going to return at any point in the next 20 odd years. Certainly not the way it was before anyways.

Yes I think the EU have probably accepted that the question of the U.K. rejoining has been settled for a generation.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Truck driver from Europe getting interviewed on the news. Said this isn’t really down to Brexit it’s the haulage industry as a whole across Europe. Conditions are poor everywhere.

Simply not true, it's very country specific, France for instance has spent hundreds of millions on lorry parks in recent years, nothing to do with EU. Various radio stations have been looking into food and fuel shortages on the continent yesterday, shortages of drivers is a concern everyone else seems to coping apart from the UK!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

All the leave knobheads need to take ownership of this mess

Been another disappearance act in recent weeks by ardent leavers in other interent places I frequent literally down to one in some places.