Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bruce Wayne said:
People are not generally unemployed because they lack access to jobs but because they lack the skills required to do those jobs (or the jobs are not in their area). For instance, across industry there is a huge shortage of people with digital skills and it's hardly as though companies are tight arses not willing to pay to access those skills, it's just that the skills don't exist. For truck drivers it's obviously somewhat different as it's location specific, but for things like digital work, if we don't have the skills here or cannot import the people with the skills, then the work will simply go to where the skills are instead.

Czech is a great example of this in action, as they have almost no unemployment, a prime minister saying they don't want immigration, and a digital skills shortage in the tens of thousands. All it will mean is the jobs will go outside the country.
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We’ve been hit in the uk by a shortage of blue collar workers so your points aren’t relevant to what’s going on here at present.
 
Kurt. said:
All the leave knobheads need to take ownership of this mess
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Look, just stop blaming good old Boris for the country falling to bits. We all just need to BELIEVE IN BREXIT and BACK GLOBAL BRITAIN (TM) and we'll all soon have our own golden unicorn. At least Pritler got to kick some more bloody forriners out. Who needs fuel? Or food? Bring back the blitz. Or something.
 
Kurt. said:
Kurt. said:
They should have realised their polarising vote would have a detrimental effect on our country….. instead of being mainly massive racist bellends .
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Fuel shortage.
Started after a leak from a meeting a few weeks a go, who got the blame for that a former BBC employee, who now works for Guess who?, the road haulage association
The road haulage association, who have been lobbying the government to do exactly what they are now doing let them bring in EU drivers, who will be self-employed working for agencies, so they don't have the cost to train or employ full time UK staff, call me cynical but, only one group gained anything from the leak, and wanting to keep the status quo in an industry that thrives on poor conditions for its employees,
ask yourself why there are ten times as many people with HGV licences than vacancy in this country, and they cannot fill the jobs?
They certainly were not Brexit supporting organization, they were on your side of the fence.
The Tories changed the tax system the EU drivers were operating under, basically as they were classed as self-employed, (paying very little tax into the system], meaning now their wage was now being taxed at a higher rate, leaving an outcome that it wasn't really beneficial for them to carry on working here, it would be the same situation if we were still in the EU.
Don't blame them for one minute by the way, why leave your country if there is nothing to be gained from it.
Even if they all came back tomorrow, and why would they anyway?
There would still be a shortage of around 80,000.
There is a shortage in many EU counties as well.
As has been proven the lack of investment in are own people, due to the source of labour from the EU, no need to train more people on the job market ECT, has come back to bite us on the Bum.
As I have long argued it was driving worker training /wages ever lower for the working class in this country, as we didn't invest in are own people, the young people of this country being let down badly over the years,
it was too easy to import already trained people for organizations that frankly don't give a toss as long as they make a profit.
Unless you are a Euro fanatic or a Tory you could see this, now it's before your very eyes you try and blame the people who warned it was happening yes those knob head Brexit supporters. Who wanted it changing.
Meanwhile, wages are going up in certain sectors, more jobs on offer and there is a scramble to train are own people finally.
Too late in the day as it turn out, but I blame you EU lovers for turning a blind eye to the situation and letting are working class people down for decades. (see it's easy, this blame game:))
If looking after my own class of people defines me as racist, fine, I will own up to it, if not show me anything where I have been racist?
Most of the problem on energy prices are Global and little to do with being in the EU or not, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
All against a background of a pandemic, which seems to be overlooked by many in this thread
Like most leave supporters, I have long given up on this thread, as it's just turned into a remain moan fest and anti UK platform.
Calling leave voters knob heads and racist is hardly convulsive to getting people to engage in a debate, and you wonder why nobody bothers any more.
I will leave you to it, moan away to your hearts content, it will change nothing, but if it makes you feel better fine carry on.
I am out of here like the rest from now on.
 
edge said:
Fuel shortage.
Started after a leak from a meeting a few weeks a go, who got the blame for that a former BBC employee, who now works for Guess who?, the road haulage association
The road haulage association, who have been lobbying the government to do exactly what they are now doing let them bring in EU drivers, who will be self-employed working for agencies, so they don't have the cost to train or employ full time UK staff, call me cynical but, only one group gained anything from the leak, and wanting to keep the status quo in an industry that thrives on poor conditions for its employees,
ask yourself why there are ten times as many people with HGV licences than vacancy in this country, and they cannot fill the jobs?
They certainly were not Brexit supporting organization, they were on your side of the fence.
The Tories changed the tax system the EU drivers were operating under, basically as they were classed as self-employed, (paying very little tax into the system], meaning now their wage was now being taxed at a higher rate, leaving an outcome that it wasn't really beneficial for them to carry on working here, it would be the same situation if we were still in the EU.
Don't blame them for one minute by the way, why leave your country if there is nothing to be gained from it.
Even if they all came back tomorrow, and why would they anyway?
There would still be a shortage of around 80,000.
There is a shortage in many EU counties as well.
As has been proven the lack of investment in are own people, due to the source of labour from the EU, no need to train more people on the job market ECT, has come back to bite us on the Bum.
As I have long argued it was driving worker training /wages ever lower for the working class in this country, as we didn't invest in are own people, the young people of this country being let down badly over the years,
it was too easy to import already trained people for organizations that frankly don't give a toss as long as they make a profit.
Unless you are a Euro fanatic or a Tory you could see this, now it's before your very eyes you try and blame the people who warned it was happening yes those knob head Brexit supporters. Who wanted it changing.
Meanwhile, wages are going up in certain sectors, more jobs on offer and there is a scramble to train are own people finally.
Too late in the day as it turn out, but I blame you EU lovers for turning a blind eye to the situation and letting are working class people down for decades. (see it's easy, this blame game:))
If looking after my own class of people defines me as racist, fine, I will own up to it, if not show me anything where I have been racist?
Most of the problem on energy prices are Global and little to do with being in the EU or not, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
All against a background of a pandemic, which seems to be overlooked by many in this thread
Like most leave supporters, I have long given up on this thread, as it's just turned into a remain moan fest and anti UK platform.
Calling leave voters knob heads and racist is hardly convulsive to getting people to engage in a debate, and you wonder why nobody bothers any more.
I will leave you to it, moan away to your hearts content, it will change nothing, but if it makes you feel better fine carry on.
I am out of here like the rest from now on.
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To be fair, that’s a very good post and I am big enough to apologise as I didn’t mean to infer that you are in any way racist. I do however continue to believe that a large number of leave voters did so mainly on the basis of the immigration situation.
 
Kurt. said:
To be fair, that’s a very good post and I am big enough to apologise as I didn’t mean to infer that you are in any way racist. I do however continue to believe that a large number of leave voters did so mainly on the basis of the immigration situation.
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no problem mate, no need to apologize to me, didn't think you meant me as a person just in replied general as a Brexit supporter.
we banter enough for me to know you meant nothing by it, and being Welsh you would not know any better anyway;)
 
edge said:
Fuel shortage.
Started after a leak from a meeting a few weeks a go, who got the blame for that a former BBC employee, who now works for Guess who?, the road haulage association
The road haulage association, who have been lobbying the government to do exactly what they are now doing let them bring in EU drivers, who will be self-employed working for agencies, so they don't have the cost to train or employ full time UK staff, call me cynical but, only one group gained anything from the leak, and wanting to keep the status quo in an industry that thrives on poor conditions for its employees,
ask yourself why there are ten times as many people with HGV licences than vacancy in this country, and they cannot fill the jobs?
They certainly were not Brexit supporting organization, they were on your side of the fence.
The Tories changed the tax system the EU drivers were operating under, basically as they were classed as self-employed, (paying very little tax into the system], meaning now their wage was now being taxed at a higher rate, leaving an outcome that it wasn't really beneficial for them to carry on working here, it would be the same situation if we were still in the EU.
Don't blame them for one minute by the way, why leave your country if there is nothing to be gained from it.
Even if they all came back tomorrow, and why would they anyway?
There would still be a shortage of around 80,000.
There is a shortage in many EU counties as well.
As has been proven the lack of investment in are own people, due to the source of labour from the EU, no need to train more people on the job market ECT, has come back to bite us on the Bum.
As I have long argued it was driving worker training /wages ever lower for the working class in this country, as we didn't invest in are own people, the young people of this country being let down badly over the years,
it was too easy to import already trained people for organizations that frankly don't give a toss as long as they make a profit.
Unless you are a Euro fanatic or a Tory you could see this, now it's before your very eyes you try and blame the people who warned it was happening yes those knob head Brexit supporters. Who wanted it changing.
Meanwhile, wages are going up in certain sectors, more jobs on offer and there is a scramble to train are own people finally.
Too late in the day as it turn out, but I blame you EU lovers for turning a blind eye to the situation and letting are working class people down for decades. (see it's easy, this blame game:))
If looking after my own class of people defines me as racist, fine, I will own up to it, if not show me anything where I have been racist?
Most of the problem on energy prices are Global and little to do with being in the EU or not, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
All against a background of a pandemic, which seems to be overlooked by many in this thread
Like most leave supporters, I have long given up on this thread, as it's just turned into a remain moan fest and anti UK platform.
Calling leave voters knob heads and racist is hardly convulsive to getting people to engage in a debate, and you wonder why nobody bothers any more.
I will leave you to it, moan away to your hearts content, it will change nothing, but if it makes you feel better fine carry on.
I am out of here like the rest from now on.
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Hmmmm!
All about the cost of living was Brexit, in country that loves the high cost of living.
If only remoaners had not warned about further rises to the cost of living on leaving the EU.
No room for the revisionist or the hindsight both grounds debated... Hit and run post is the way.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
People are not generally unemployed because they lack access to jobs but because they lack the skills required to do those jobs (or the jobs are not in their area). For instance, across industry there is a huge shortage of people with digital skills and it's hardly as though companies are tight arses not willing to pay to access those skills, it's just that the skills don't exist. For truck drivers it's obviously somewhat different as it's location specific, but for things like digital work, if we don't have the skills here or cannot import the people with the skills, then the work will simply go to where the skills are instead.

Czech is a great example of this in action, as they have almost no unemployment, a prime minister saying they don't want immigration, and a digital skills shortage in the tens of thousands. All it will mean is the jobs will go outside the country.
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On Digital skills, 100% agree. I've just been hiring and the applicants were many, only two were short listed and the one that got it was trained by me and not British. Data engineers are almost impossible to get, been trying since the end of last year... big money on that one. Now we have the green light to employ remotely from overseas.

The skills that are out there are all in the same area and there is no link to what is needed. Reminds me of jobs in music production, loads going to college, 1 in 10k likely to get a job.
 
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