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All this really does is point out that the industry was in no fit state to actually pull the plug and leave the EU.Fuel shortage.
Started after a leak from a meeting a few weeks a go, who got the blame for that a former BBC employee, who now works for Guess who?, the road haulage association
The road haulage association, who have been lobbying the government to do exactly what they are now doing let them bring in EU drivers, who will be self-employed working for agencies, so they don't have the cost to train or employ full time UK staff, call me cynical but, only one group gained anything from the leak, and wanting to keep the status quo in an industry that thrives on poor conditions for its employees,
ask yourself why there are ten times as many people with HGV licences than vacancy in this country, and they cannot fill the jobs?
They certainly were not Brexit supporting organization, they were on your side of the fence.
The Tories changed the tax system the EU drivers were operating under, basically as they were classed as self-employed, (paying very little tax into the system], meaning now their wage was now being taxed at a higher rate, leaving an outcome that it wasn't really beneficial for them to carry on working here, it would be the same situation if we were still in the EU.
Don't blame them for one minute by the way, why leave your country if there is nothing to be gained from it.
Even if they all came back tomorrow, and why would they anyway?
There would still be a shortage of around 80,000.
There is a shortage in many EU counties as well.
As has been proven the lack of investment in are own people, due to the source of labour from the EU, no need to train more people on the job market ECT, has come back to bite us on the Bum.
As I have long argued it was driving worker training /wages ever lower for the working class in this country, as we didn't invest in are own people, the young people of this country being let down badly over the years,
it was too easy to import already trained people for organizations that frankly don't give a toss as long as they make a profit.
Unless you are a Euro fanatic or a Tory you could see this, now it's before your very eyes you try and blame the people who warned it was happening yes those knob head Brexit supporters. Who wanted it changing.
Meanwhile, wages are going up in certain sectors, more jobs on offer and there is a scramble to train are own people finally.
Too late in the day as it turn out, but I blame you EU lovers for turning a blind eye to the situation and letting are working class people down for decades. (see it's easy, this blame game)
If looking after my own class of people defines me as racist, fine, I will own up to it, if not show me anything where I have been racist?
Most of the problem on energy prices are Global and little to do with being in the EU or not, but that doesn't suit your narrative.
All against a background of a pandemic, which seems to be overlooked by many in this thread
Like most leave supporters, I have long given up on this thread, as it's just turned into a remain moan fest and anti UK platform.
Calling leave voters knob heads and racist is hardly convulsive to getting people to engage in a debate, and you wonder why nobody bothers any more.
I will leave you to it, moan away to your hearts content, it will change nothing, but if it makes you feel better fine carry on.
I am out of here like the rest from now on.
Like so many aspects of the leave campaign, this smacks of 'lets just do it and figure out the consequences after'. It's no different to the Irish border issue.
What I'm noticing (from a distance) is that pro Brexit people aren't taking any ownership of any of the messy bits of the process.
It's always someone else's fault. In this case it's the road haulage association or main stream media or covid.
Fact of the matter is, through one referendum and two general elections you (plural) have repeatedly put your trust in incompetent leadership that responds to populism by acting first and trying to figure out the consequences later.
They're making it up as they go along and that should terrify you.
All that points out is, after years of ignoring are own people for year while in the EU, for reasons I have highlighted going back in this thread years a go, before the vote if anybody can be bothered to trawl that far back.
Its not a stance i have made up just to suit the current situation to score pionts.
In or Out it's a fact we didn't train are own people, as such the timing of Brexit was immaterial, while we were in it was never going to happen, now it will the government and business has no other choice., something I was well aware of and welcomed, I was under no illusion of the price to pay in the short term
As for blaming the Road Haulage association, yes I do blame them for the current situation,
I highlighted why, and also stated that the Tories had changed the IR35 tax rate for EU drivers in April that meant they could no longer have favourable rates and Brexit or not meant it would have caused them to return home anyway.
I voted Brexit not Tory, like a lot of other people so the last two election results, are not ones I wanted.I have never voted tory never will, a brief look at my posting history will soon show my feeling towards them.
The Irish border issue was signed by both sides, so both equally to blame if it's not working out.
As I have stated before I am out of this tread, anything I have had to say, I have said in here over the years, I have nothing new to add, so goodbye to all in here..
hang on a sec,
you cant just make a load of incorrect points and then high tail it outta here, well, you can, but it's a bit childish.
I never accused you of voting tory.
As for the "we didn't train are own people". Yea, that's the point I'm making. Maybe before leaving, you should have put the systems in place to ensure labour levels and supply chains still worked.
As for both sides being responsible for the Irish border mess, well, that's way off the mark but there's a whole other thread for that.
Your post is just more Brexit excuses. Sorry man.
So how does that work we say to the EU we have voted to leave , hang on for 5 years while we train are own people?
The goverment could not do more than make plans nothing concrete anyway because they like everybody else, didnt know the outcome of the vote till it happened ,( They never expected it to go the way it did} they are a shambbles, a competent goverment would have these lot are deffo not that , why would anybody supprised they cocked it up , I am not making excuses for them. I hate them with a passion
As for Irish border, the UK goverment didnt impose the term's they were agreed between All parties concerned , including the EU, and all sides had to work around the good friday agreement ,not any easy thing at all. but both made it so both own it, in my view.
sorry ignore all that or i will have to reply to your reply, rather defeats me saying i am out of here
i think if somebody posts your quote its manners not to reply so on and on it goes.
I have gone over this a million time in here , early days engaging with @Bruce Wayne and co, it was a good thread. we debated learned/ disagreed and on occasion agreed with from each other ,now it feels to me anyway.
We are going around in circles in this thread mate, sorry its not you
i dont want to engage withI wasnt flouncing out of it in a hissy fit , just fed up with it to be honest.
I cant really defend the goverment and would willingly rejoin the EU if it meant johnson was gone, so my heart isnt in it anymore.
I think we are all tired of it now mate. As a country we need to find a way forward. I was against leaving the EU but understood some reasons for leaving. We are having big issues now because of Brexit, it does the country no service to pretend otherwise. Some of the problems could have been mitigated but, De Pfifel. My own view is we need to get back in the Customs Union and Single market asap, arsed about any embarassment people may feel about that. Looking after ourselves and family come first. However if there are altetnatives lets put them on the table. If its a case its pain for a few years but things will improve then give the public a vision of what that looks like. Either way point scoring and insulting each other needs to end I reckon. We all want decent lives for us and our families and the current divide is threatening that.So how does that work we say to the EU we have voted to leave , hang on for 5 years while we train are own people?
The goverment could not do more than make plans nothing concrete anyway because they like everybody else, didnt know the outcome of the vote till it happened ,( They never expected it to go the way it did} they are a shambbles, a competent goverment would have these lot are deffo not that , why would anybody supprised they cocked it up , I am not making excuses for them. I hate them with a passion
As for Irish border, the UK goverment didnt impose the term's they were agreed between All parties concerned , including the EU, and all sides had to work around the good friday agreement ,not any easy thing at all. but both made it so both own it, in my view.
sorry ignore all that or i will have to reply to your reply, rather defeats me saying i am out of here
i think if somebody posts your quote its manners not to reply so on and on it goes.
I have gone over this a million time in here , early days engaging with @Bruce Wayne and co, it was a good thread. we debated learned/ disagreed and on occasion agreed with from each other ,now it feels to me anyway.
We are going around in circles in this thread mate, sorry its not you
I wasnt flouncing out of it in a hissy fit , just fed up with it to be honest.
I cant really defend the goverment and would willingly rejoin the EU if it meant johnson was gone, so my heart isnt in
Yea. I actually think it should have taken about 7 to 10 years to leave the EU while processes and procedures were put in place. It’s been handled terribly but people voted out with no plan in glacé for how to leave. On Ireland, yea, both sides agreed on a trade border down the Irish Sea but Johnson is trying to walk that agreement back or straight up ignore it.So how does that work we say to the EU we have voted to leave , hang on for 5 years while we train are own people?
The goverment could not do more than make plans nothing concrete anyway because they like everybody else, didnt know the outcome of the vote till it happened ,( They never expected it to go the way it did} they are a shambbles, a competent goverment would have these lot are deffo not that , why would anybody supprised they cocked it up , I am not making excuses for them. I hate them with a passion
As for Irish border, the UK goverment didnt impose the term's they were agreed between All parties concerned , including the EU, and all sides had to work around the good friday agreement ,not any easy thing at all. but both made it so both own it, in my view.
sorry ignore all that or i will have to reply to your reply, rather defeats me saying i am out of here
i think if somebody posts your quote its manners not to reply so on and on it goes.
I have gone over this a million time in here , early days engaging with @Bruce Wayne and co, it was a good thread. we debated learned/ disagreed and on occasion agreed with from each other ,now it feels to me anyway.
We are going around in circles in this thread mate, sorry its not you
I wasnt flouncing out of it in a hissy fit , just fed up with it to be honest.
I cant really defend the goverment and would willingly rejoin the EU if it meant johnson was gone, so my heart isnt in it anymore.
anyway, I genuinely hope labour can get their crap together and eventually form a gov that might do better than the tidies at handling Brexit.
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I'm not going to claim to be an expert on logistics and business, but my understanding is that we have an economy that relies on 'just in time' supply chains.
It can't be disputed that covid and other factors have contributed to disrupting these supply chains, but brexit is adding to the problem. We can't ignore that fact. It doesn't matter if brexit is 5% of the problem or 75%, its an issue that's contributed to the mess we're in. It's an additional issue we don't need right now (or ever imo).
It can't be disputed that covid and other factors have contributed to disrupting these supply chains, but brexit is adding to the problem. We can't ignore that fact. It doesn't matter if brexit is 5% of the problem or 75%, its an issue that's contributed to the mess we're in. It's an additional issue we don't need right now (or ever imo).
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We're going to eat cake. We are not going to eat cake.
And judgment starts coming in...
And judgment starts coming in...
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Interesting insight into poultry industry and it's labour and contrary to popular belief.
Why on earth is this and other industries so focussed on Cheap Labour instead of paying a decent wage.
Capitalism cannibalizing itself.
"British Poultry Council chief executive Richard Griffiths told the FT paper that Brexit had cut off the industry's supply of cheap labour". As quoted by the BBC.
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Why on earth is this and other industries so focussed on Cheap Labour instead of paying a decent wage.
Capitalism cannibalizing itself.
"British Poultry Council chief executive Richard Griffiths told the FT paper that Brexit had cut off the industry's supply of cheap labour". As quoted by the BBC.
Fuel supply: Military to deliver petrol to UK garages from Monday
Almost 200 servicemen and women will provide temporary support after a week of long queues for fuel.
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Doesn't look promising!
Keir Starmer goes against 2020 pledge by writing piece in the Sun | JOE.co.uk
Keir Starmer has sparked anger amongst parts of Labour after appearing to change his stance on the right-wing tabloid by writing an op-ed in the paper.
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Boris Johnson indicates shortages could continue in UK until Christmas
Boris Johnson has admitted he has known for months that the UK’s haulage industry was in trouble, as he indicated the supply chain problems besetting the economy could continue until Christmas.On the opening day of the Tory Party conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister insisted the fuel...
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