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Good read that, getting to that stage myself, fed up with the job, don't have any debt, don't really spend a lot of money, and some voluntary redundancy on the horizon.
No way am I staying if the situation didn't suit me.
Will just take my small works pension and top it up with a part time job.
Done 40 odd years work up to now and on balance have given to much time to my work and not enough to myself.
I wonder whether this is an additional factor in things. I think I'm right in saying that the average age of truck drivers in the UK is around 50, so it seems possible that with Covid and everything that some of those nearing retirement age will think as you are and say sod this. Couple that with difficulty recruiting from overseas and a lack of youngsters entering the profession and from an industry perspective it feels like progress with autonomous vehicles needs to be a lot quicker than it has been to date.
 
I wonder whether this is an additional factor in things. I think I'm right in saying that the average age of truck drivers in the UK is around 50, so it seems possible that with Covid and everything that some of those nearing retirement age will think as you are and say sod this. Couple that with difficulty recruiting from overseas and a lack of youngsters entering the profession and from an industry perspective it feels like progress with autonomous vehicles needs to be a lot quicker than it has been to date.
Here is a simple fact of working life, good pay with good conditions will always recruit employees.
 
Here is a simple fact of working life, good pay with good conditions will always recruit employees.
That's not always the case though. In America we've seen not only wages rise considerably but also the end of the fiscal stimulus and they're still suffering from a labour shortage. It's a bit like that daft ad about the ballerina becoming a cybersecurity expert. If skills are not matched with vacancies then no amount of pay will help matters.
 
That's not always the case though. In America we've seen not only wages rise considerably but also the end of the fiscal stimulus and they're still suffering from a labour shortage. It's a bit like that daft ad about the ballerina becoming a cybersecurity expert. If skills are not matched with vacancies then no amount of pay will help matters.
The participation rate has fallen quite a bit in the US (and is still below pre-Covid levels). Some is fiscal stimulus related but quite a big portion is down to people close to retirement deciding not to bother going back to work. 401k looks good because markets have done well. Why go back to work for a couple of years when they can retire now.

It’s one of the reasons there is a bit of a squeeze in some areas.
 
The participation rate has fallen quite a bit in the US (and is still below pre-Covid levels). Some is fiscal stimulus related but quite a big portion is down to people close to retirement deciding not to bother going back to work. 401k looks good because markets have done well. Why go back to work for a couple of years when they can retire now.

It’s one of the reasons there is a bit of a squeeze in some areas.
Yep, and with the Boomers representing a pretty large proportion of society it's not an ideal situation nor an ideal time to be restricting the flow of workers from abroad.
 
That's not always the case though. In America we've seen not only wages rise considerably but also the end of the fiscal stimulus and they're still suffering from a labour shortage. It's a bit like that daft ad about the ballerina becoming a cybersecurity expert. If skills are not matched with vacancies then no amount of pay will help matters.
Far too long it's been accepted to pay those at the bottom the minimum. There has been a awful snobbery in the UK on jobs and what British people should and should not do. Not lost on me the shortages and what sectors.
 


Mmmm I didn’t realise they were, “tiresome and self-harming restrictions”, I thought it was “Taking Back Control”, especially when they’re the terms Boris signed off celebrated in special address to the nation.
 
I wonder whether this is an additional factor in things. I think I'm right in saying that the average age of truck drivers in the UK is around 50, so it seems possible that with Covid and everything that some of those nearing retirement age will think as you are and say sod this. Couple that with difficulty recruiting from overseas and a lack of youngsters entering the profession and from an industry perspective it feels like progress with autonomous vehicles needs to be a lot quicker than it has been to date.

I have no doubt that (autonomous vehicles) is the route they will go down, but doing that would be to do what British government and business nearly always does and follow the herd down a blind alley throwing bundles of our money into the air.

For long distance, economic, rapid and sustainable movement of freight in volume only the railway is a realistic proposal at present - we know it works, we know it causes less damage to the environment and we know we'll be able to keep it going once the oil runs out. We even have a lot of it in place still. If they want to do electric / electric and autonomous vehicles after that, it would be far easier to do short range collection from a railhub and delivery than it would be trying to replace long distance lorries.

Obviously though that would require a big investment in infrastructure, and an admittance that the road lobby / government have got it expensively wrong for the past sixty years.
 
I have no doubt that (autonomous vehicles) is the route they will go down, but doing that would be to do what British government and business nearly always does and follow the herd down a blind alley throwing bundles of our money into the air.

For long distance, economic, rapid and sustainable movement of freight in volume only the railway is a realistic proposal at present - we know it works, we know it causes less damage to the environment and we know we'll be able to keep it going once the oil runs out. We even have a lot of it in place still. If they want to do electric / electric and autonomous vehicles after that, it would be far easier to do short range collection from a railhub and delivery than it would be trying to replace long distance lorries.

Obviously though that would require a big investment in infrastructure, and an admittance that the road lobby / government have got it expensively wrong for the past sixty years.
A lot of the early results suggest that it will be the long-distance stuff that gets automated first as driving on the motorway is that bit easier (and it's largely that which is unpleasant for the drivers themselves), with the last-mile still be done by human drivers. I know there have been various experiments into road surfaces that recharge electric vehicles as they pass over them, but the investment required to make that a reality suggests it's quite a way off yet.

Of course, all of this would be superseded if hyperloop ever goes anywhere, which I kinda doubt it ever will.
 
I have no doubt that (autonomous vehicles) is the route they will go down, but doing that would be to do what British government and business nearly always does and follow the herd down a blind alley throwing bundles of our money into the air.

For long distance, economic, rapid and sustainable movement of freight in volume only the railway is a realistic proposal at present - we know it works, we know it causes less damage to the environment and we know we'll be able to keep it going once the oil runs out. We even have a lot of it in place still. If they want to do electric / electric and autonomous vehicles after that, it would be far easier to do short range collection from a railhub and delivery than it would be trying to replace long distance lorries.

Obviously though that would require a big investment in infrastructure, and an admittance that the road lobby / government have got it expensively wrong for the past sixty years.
A lot of the early results suggest that it will be the long-distance stuff that gets automated first as driving on the motorway is that bit easier (and it's largely that which is unpleasant for the drivers themselves), with the last-mile still be done by human drivers. I know there have been various experiments into road surfaces that recharge electric vehicles as they pass over them, but the investment required to make that a reality suggests it's quite a way off yet.

Of course, all of this would be superseded if hyperloop ever goes anywhere, which I kinda doubt it ever will.



But when... Thought automated lorry conveys were supposed to be a thing by now already, I seem to remember (dream/night terror maybe). Cameron babbling on about his vision of one driver convoys.

Still some considerations to be made All sounds great in theory however, there some devil in the detail!
How does such a convoy get started up? You'd need depots that lead right onto the motorway as you couldn't run such a convoy anywhere other than on a trunk road. What happens if the lead driver has a seizure/faints? Well same as now I suppose - but many times worse! Lots of dead people. What happens if the motorway is closed and all traffic must leave the motorway onto non trunk roads?
And from a personal note from some who uses motorways often, how are other road users going to exit the motorway if a convoy is blocking them in the left lane?

Looks like precursor to the high tech Brexit border solution in Northern Ireland, load of old bullpoop with too much magic mushroom tea at Green Patry conference.
 
A lot of the early results suggest that it will be the long-distance stuff that gets automated first as driving on the motorway is that bit easier (and it's largely that which is unpleasant for the drivers themselves), with the last-mile still be done by human drivers. I know there have been various experiments into road surfaces that recharge electric vehicles as they pass over them, but the investment required to make that a reality suggests it's quite a way off yet.

Of course, all of this would be superseded if hyperloop ever goes anywhere, which I kinda doubt it ever will.

It’s long distance freight runs where the railways superiority over road is most pronounced though, and of course it is much easier to automate trains (as you know they already are in service now) as opposed to road transport. Even something you mention like providing motive power / recharging whilst on the move literally happens now on the railway.

Going down this route just seems a really expensive and potentially dangerous way for a few generations of politicians to try to pretend they weren’t wrong, and to keep the road network and its associated economy having some form of purpose. We should (and I mean all parties here) be beginning the process of retiring it.
 
It’s long distance freight runs where the railways superiority over road is most pronounced though, and of course it is much easier to automate trains (as you know they already are in service now) as opposed to road transport. Even something you mention like providing motive power / recharging whilst on the move literally happens now on the railway.

Going down this route just seems a really expensive and potentially dangerous way for a few generations of politicians to try to pretend they weren’t wrong, and to keep the road network and its associated economy having some form of purpose. We should (and I mean all parties here) be beginning the process of retiring it.
Aye, it's quite possible. I don't really have much of a preference either way. What's the capacity like on the rail network? Instinctively it feels like roads would have much more capacity at the moment than rail, but that instinct may be well off.
 
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