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[orchard]

If Australians can produce beef etc and pay to ship it half way around the world at a price lower than the U.K. can produce it, then our farmers need to get their arses into gear. I haven’t heard any moaning from the farmers around by us. The real issue is not the price but the unlimited volumes, as this will be what the USA, Brazil etc will then ask for, and that could get a bit tasty, but even then it will give our farmers the opportunity to send quality produce the other way....

Sorry, is your point that you'll eat anything as long as it's cheap, and that you are surrounded by arable farms?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sorry, is your point that you'll eat anything as long as it's cheap, and that you are surrounded by arable farms?

Is there any actual evidence that Australian meat is less healthy than European meat? My understanding is that they've eaten it for a long time, as have the Canadians and Americans, so there must be some evidence of harm to health in these decades?

On the price thing, I thought the average income in Australia was actually higher than here, so I'm not sure where the idea that they're going to flood the UK market with cheap meat is coming from.

 

[orchard]

Is there any actual evidence that Australian meat is less healthy than European meat? My understanding is that they've eaten it for a long time, as have the Canadians and Americans, so there must be some evidence of harm to health in these decades?

On the price thing, I thought the average income in Australia was actually higher than here, so I'm not sure where the idea that they're going to flood the UK market with cheap meat is coming from.

Steroids and AB's mainly I think, plus some are reared in food lot type monstrosities, and maybe diseases, especially when wheeled out to the Americas, things like f&m.

We're talking a mix of both high intensity pollution causing foodlots(where the stat's that meat is environmentally bad come from), and extensive ranging in the vast (relatively cheap) areas they have compared to here. The extensive systems save on a lot of labour and inputs, eg use of a helicopter to cover the area.

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We can compete with the first, but certainly shouldn't imo, and we'd need to nuke Pete's pub and house for the second.

Small mixed farms are the future imo.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Steroids and AB's mainly I think, plus some are reared in food lot type monstrosities, and maybe diseases, especially when wheeled out to the Americas, things like f&m.

We're talking a mix of both high intensity pollution causing foodlots(where the stat's that meat is environmentally bad come from), and extensive ranging in the vast (relatively cheap) areas they have compared to here. The extensive systems save on a lot of labour and inputs, eg use of a helicopter to cover the area.

I barely eat meat these days so fully on board with the unsavouriness of animal husbandry. Just seems hard to imagine a country 15,000km away with a cost of living similar to here is going to make more than a pinprick on the domestic meat market, especially as they have a behemoth like China that they already trade a lot with and whose people are eating a growing amount of meat. Why would they bother with here?

 

[orchard]

I barely eat meat these days so fully on board with the unsavouriness of animal husbandry. Just seems hard to imagine a country 15,000km away with a cost of living similar to here is going to make more than a pinprick on the domestic meat market, especially as they have a behemoth like China that they already trade a lot with and whose people are eating a growing amount of meat. Why would they bother with here?

I didn't say it was unsavoury, just that a lot of practices are, it's in fact essential for efficient fertility. Check out Richard Perkins on YouTube for an example of a well integrated small farm.

We probably pay more per kilo, but any savings will probably be swallowed by the supermarkets&agents. I think an Aussie agent said today that he'd increase his exports ten-fold.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I didn't say it was unsavoury, just that a lot of practices are, it's in fact essential for efficient fertility. Check out Richard Perkins on YouTube for an example of a well integrated small farm.

We probably pay more per kilo, but any savings will probably be swallowed by the supermarkets&agents. I think an Aussie agent said today that he'd increase his exports ten-fold.

That's surprising. The article below says that China, Japan, and South Korea are their biggest markets, which make sense as they're so much nearer.

Agricultural and food trade

Agriculture is an important part of Australia’s economy. In 2018-19, agriculture accounted for around 11 per cent of goods and services trade, 2.2 per cent of value added gross domestic product (GDP) and 2.6 per cent of employment.

www.dfat.gov.au

 

[orchard]

That's surprising. The article below says that China, Japan, and South Korea are their biggest markets, which make sense as they're so much nearer.

Agricultural and food trade

Agriculture is an important part of Australia’s economy. In 2018-19, agriculture accounted for around 11 per cent of goods and services trade, 2.2 per cent of value added gross domestic product (GDP) and 2.6 per cent of employment.

www.dfat.gov.au

Oh, sorry, 10x his current UK export.

 

[roydo]

Oh, sorry, 10x his current UK export.

Export of what?

 

[orchard]

That's surprising. The article below says that China, Japan, and South Korea are their biggest markets, which make sense as they're so much nearer.

Agricultural and food trade

Agriculture is an important part of Australia’s economy. In 2018-19, agriculture accounted for around 11 per cent of goods and services trade, 2.2 per cent of value added gross domestic product (GDP) and 2.6 per cent of employment.

www.dfat.gov.au

FT Link

 

[orchard]

Export of what?

Beef

 

[Alan Whittle]

We may well get a trade deal here if it turns out to be in the interests of all parties. What is does go to show is that doing these deals with non EU countries isn’t quite the piece of cake we were assured they were going to be and that (rather like the pesky EU) they would be looking after their own interests in any negotiations. I for one am shocked.

 

[roydo]

Beef

Didnt know there was such a pent up demand for Australian beef. That said, all sorts of trickery goes on with the labelling of where food actually comes from.

Pretty much every "Italian" pizza in a UK supermarket has mozzarella cheese from North Wales.

 

[orchard]

Didnt know there was such a pent up demand for Australian beef. That said, all sorts of trickery goes on with the labelling of where food actually comes from.

Pretty much every "Italian" pizza in a UK supermarket has mozzarella cheese from North Wales.

Like you know, we're talking traded commodities, beef is beef for these people, whether Aussie, Brazilian, or Uruguayan, however the article does state:

“In the event of a free trade deal that removes tariffs and quotas we could see [Australian beef] exports double or triple,” said Hugh Killen, AACo chief executive. “In fact, given exports are so small now it’s possible they could even increase tenfold.”

Probably cave in on standards too knowing this lot.

 

[peteblue]

Sorry, is your point that you'll eat anything as long as it's cheap, and that you are surrounded by arable farms?

No. I am surrounded by both arable and beef and pig rearing farms. I think the issue will be surrounding how the animals are reared and treated, whether chemicals are involved and how animals are treated. Many people will just be happy with cheap meat, many will look at labelling and decide they don’t want it because of how they were reared, and similarly in Aus and the USA some people will be happy to pay a premium for U.K. non chemical produce. It’s a choice, but it’s a choice that will be different for different people.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

No. I am surrounded by both arable and beef and pig rearing farms. I think the issue will be surrounding how the animals are reared and treated, whether chemicals are involved and how animals are treated. Many people will just be happy with cheap meat, many will look at labelling and decide they don’t want it because of how they were reared, and similarly in Aus and the USA some people will be happy to pay a premium for U.K. non chemical produce. It’s a choice, but it’s a choice that will be different for different people.

Let them eat chlorinated chicken!