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ButOkayThatsFootball said:
Countries far closer to China managed to lock down and employed a zero-covid policy rather than aiming to 'take it on the chin' whilst letting it 'pass through the population'. During this time, Johnson was telling people to ignore it believing it'd simply go away, insisted on shaking hands with everyone during a hospital visit, and missed five COBRA meetings whilst other countries were preparing. Vietnam has a considerably higher population with a greater overall population density, and are sitting on 35 Covid deaths.

The report that came out in 2016 warned that we were nowhere near ready in case such an event should happen, and the government completely ignored it. Regardless of the efficiency of the vaccine rollout, the fact we're sat on 126,000 deaths and counting means that the high ground cannot be taken and no victory can be claimed - especially when medical professionals were crystal clear about the negative externalities arising from a late lockdown.

With regards to the 'Chinese virus', I suggest you do some research into the shocking rise in hate crimes against those of South-East Asian heritage in the UK as a consequence of this immature and dangerous rhetoric.
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OK, let’s assume that the U.K. locked down at the beginning of March. There were hardly any cases or any deaths. But now we have locked down and 66 million people are asking why ? So how do you think the lockdown would have gone ? Obviously the spread would have stopped instantly, but it had hardly even started anyway. So how long do we stay locked up for ? We have almost no cases or deaths, so what would the people do ? Unlike the Far East we are not used to being told what to do and so everyone, certainly those under 50, would have just gone out and the virus would have taken hold everywhere. When we locked down at least by then the government had a set of data to show people this was not a scare story....

In respect of the Chinese virus, even the Chinese said it come from their wet markets even if it more probably escaped from the Wuhan lab....either way it originated in China.....
 
peteblue said:
If you were a senior exec in AZ, having offered the world the cheapest vaccine with easy transportation, and then suffered all the crap that the EU have been throwing at them. What would you think and do ?.....
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Hi Pete. Hope you are well.
Not sure I really care about the feelings of execs in AZ to be honest. They’ve more than likely made a fortune out of this so doubt they’re that arsed either.
 
peteblue said:
If you were a senior exec in AZ, having offered the world the cheapest vaccine with easy transportation, and then suffered all the crap that the EU have been throwing at them. What would you think and do ?.....
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Here's a question Pete. If, say, the UK was the biggest exporter of vaccines and the EU gave you none, so Boris decided that he would limit vaccine exports and try and sort the UKs situation out first because the UK had fallen behind, how would you describe him?

Or if Angela Merkel ignored every piece of public health advice, happily declared she went around hospitals shaking hands with people, proceeded to get Covid and presided over the highest Covid mortality rate in Europe, how would you describe that?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The wife just got her second Pfizer jab (that was developed in Germany). Carry On Back To School would be best for you. The 70s ended a long time ago.
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It's a very good vaccine too. Unfortunately because of the storage and transportation requirements, it isn't one that can be rolled out worldwide. But it's an excellent option for all the western countries who can afford it.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
As an aside, would be interesting to see the fume from certain posters and the media if the U.K. was exporting vaccines to the Eu whilst we struggled with implementing an efficient vaccination programme.
Contracts would not be so important then I imagine.
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In the whole scheme of things Jimmy, there's not that much vaccine even being produced within the UK. It's certainly less than 10m doses a month, compared to about 100m doses across the EU and over 130m doses in the US. Even per head of population we're producing significantly less than the other two. We really aren't the bad boys here.
 
Prevenger17 said:
Here's a question Pete. If, say, the UK was the biggest exporter of vaccines and the EU gave you none, so Boris decided that he would limit vaccine exports and try and sort the UKs situation out first because the UK had fallen behind, how would you describe him?

Or if Angela Merkel ignored every piece of public health advice, happily declared she went around hospitals shaking hands with people, proceeded to get Covid and presided over the highest Covid mortality rate in Europe, how would you describe that?
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It depends. If we had a situation because he hadn’t signed any contracts for vaccine supply quickly enough, I would expect him to resign.

At the time he was ‘shaking hands’ it was a very foolish thing to do and the fact he caught the virus was probably punishment in itself, as well as being an eye opener. Privately I would have told him he was a prat.

now about that question I asked you....
 
Barnfred 55 said:
In the whole scheme of things Jimmy, there's not that much vaccine even being produced within the UK. It's certainly less than 10m doses a month, compared to about 100m doses across the EU and over 130m doses in the US. Even per head of population we're producing significantly less than the other two. We really aren't the bad boys here.
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It’s a political smokescreen and nothing else.....
 
Barnfred 55 said:
In the whole scheme of things Jimmy, there's not that much vaccine even being produced within the UK. It's certainly less than 10m doses a month, compared to about 100m doses across the EU and over 130m doses in the US. Even per head of population we're producing significantly less than the other two. We really aren't the bad boys here.
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I don’t think it’s a case of good and bad boys to be honest. Just being used for political point scoring.
 
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