Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Neiler]

our contract is for best endeavours (or "best reasonable efforts"), pete

At least the US are brave enough to say what they are doing, no vaccines are leaving the country until we’re ok, they had the guts even to enact statute. I don’t agree with it, but at least they aren’t hiding behind skirts.

 

[peteblue]

The UK contract in based on best efforts....I’ve shown you this already.

our contract is for best endeavours (or "best reasonable efforts"), pete

Of course it is, no manufacturer is going to absolutely commit to dates and deliveries of a brand new product in new facilities. The difference is that the U.K. also inserted that the U.K. plants must deliver the U.K. order first. The EU contract has no such clause.....

 

[Neiler]

I really don’t care. If I’m wrong then the EU will have AZ up in front of a court pronto....

Legal action is happening, it will take months if not years, it’s why the EU, is exploring other sanctions at its disposal. A dual process.

 

[peteblue]

At least the US are brave enough to say what they are doing, no vaccines are leaving the country until we’re ok, they had the guts even to enact statute. I don’t agree with it, but at least they aren’t hiding behind skirts.

The roll out practically is a win but the UK come out of this as a mature nation......well as @davek would say a yellow coloured fruit republic and looked down on amongst nations.

Fine....

 

[peteblue]

Legal action is happening, it will take months if not years, it’s why the EU, is exploring other sanctions at its disposal. A dual process.

Your are of course joking aren’t you.....

 

[Neiler]

Your are of course joking aren’t you.....

You heard UVL on Weds.....

 

[peteblue]

Pete just because you chant the same mantras over, and over, and over again doesn't make them true. We have a contract; they have a contract. Both should be honoured by the firms that have freely entered into them. If the firms don't deliver what they've contracted to, they should be held to account.

I also would point out that our government already does most of what you criticise VDL for calling for. They do after all seize private property all the time (via CPOs, via nationalizations (or pseudo-nationalizations)) and have form for ripping up contracts too - as they should, where this is necessary to enforce compliance with a contracts terms, to protect a service or to prevent money being wasted or to benefit / protect the citizens.

Stealing a companies facilities and assets and stealing its IPR will not be looked upon favourably by anyone thinking of either investing or putting a manufacturing facility in the EU......

 

[peteblue]

You heard UVL on Weds.....

She is sending them a letter, it probably uses the words please and pretty please quite a lot.....

 

[Neiler]

She is sending them a letter, it probably uses the words please and pretty please quite a lot.....

I believe it was an invitation! lol

She was quite good as it goes, she referenced an article that could be enacted in EU law to block exports in her speech, without most knowing unless you know EU law, it won’t have gone unnoticed.

 

[peteblue]

An indentation! lol

She was quite good as it goes, she referenced an article that could be enacted in EU law to block exports in her speech, without most knowing unless you know EU law, it won’t have gone unnoticed.

hahaha....enacting an article designed for wartime is what she is proposing. But anyway, even though France and Germany have their own reasons for supporting her, elections and reputation, it’s not yet actually assured that this will be enacted. My guess is that it won’t be because the repercussions far outweigh any benefit.....

 

[Kurt.]

I can’t believe you are trying to defend this gang of shysters. Contracts are contracts. It’s all in black and white. The EU cocked it up, everyone else got in before them and ordered product, that’s how the civilised world works. This is all distraction from their own failings. Stamping feet and screaming ‘it’s not fair’ isn’t going to work. The credibility of the EU, it’s behaviour and its application of contract law, is now visible to the whole world and it’s not a pretty sight.

Do you agree with VDL that the EU should steal private property, steal IPR, and rip up contracts. Because if you do, everyone else will then do it and it won’t be a pretty sight, especially for the EU.......

You could so easily replace EU with Tory party in the above post lol

 

[roydo]

A few facts. And I have no idea on the contract details.

But before ANY vax was proved to work, let alone be approved, the UK spent £1 Billion securing orders of 357 million doses, from 6 different makers, across 4 formats.

Source. Leader of the Vax delivery programme.

I have no dog in this Vax Nat fight, but it seems the UK, by hook or by crook, grabbed the whole thing early, and hard. Cos once the doses were secured, they also spent gazillons in getting production ramped up. Fujifim, (no, beyond me as well), were used to help produce 70 million doses between 4 and 6 months.

 

[tsubaki]

Stealing a companies facilities and assets and stealing its IPR will not be looked upon favourably by anyone thinking of either investing or putting a manufacturing facility in the EU......

we do some of that, pete - it turns out it puts people off less than the government's Brexit deal did

 

[peteblue]

To be fair it must be terrible for the Eu to be seeing how well the U.K. is doing in this matter, having just left....

 

[peteblue]

we do some of that, pete - it turns out it puts people off less than the government's Brexit deal did

When have we stolen a companies assets or IPR.....