roydo
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They can still tour in the rest of the world.
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They can still tour in the rest of the world.
It's looking at the period between 2016 and 2020. I don't believe we had Covid-19 for much of that period. The clue is in the name.
Indeed, it's like saying to the musicians that they're going to have to play a completely new instrument in 4 years time, then telling them a week before what the instrument is and saying "well you had 4 years!"
peteblue
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True. However, looking forward as everything is now closed, would I be right in thinking that the same issue have befallen EU musicians working in the U.K. and thereby creating additional low travel/insurance/tax opportunities that would perhaps have gone to Eu musicians. I can understand 2021 onwards work having limits, and could perhaps see uncertainty issues even in 2019, but can’t quite figure out why work was lost in 2016, 2017 and 2018 when we were still fully in the EU....
peteblue
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They claim 50% earnings loss in 2020. Now Covid broke out in Feb with a March lockdown. I appreciate that the majority of the data is from when we were still in the EU. The clue is in the dates.....
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
It was a surprise to me. But then I read the report.
Gonna ignore the Covid point.
No idea if European musicians need to spend more time and money coming to the UK now. That said, the great orchestras aside, I struggle to think of that many European bands who were broken in the UK market. Nena perhaps.
Music, pop/rock, is one the greatest things we offer the world. Now, we have made it harder for the musicians to do live work in Europe.
Is that a good outcome?
peteblue
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Obviously it’s not a good outcome either for the musicians or venues and fans within the EU...you would think that a way forward could be arrived at, but I cannot imagine the EU bureaucracy allowing it.....
YOU VOTED FOR IT. Stop blaming the EU for something you voted for.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
But they have their rules, which we helped write. Why should they change them just cos we are no longer there? I seriously dont grasp how that fact eludes you.
Would you expect the US or Australia or Canada to change their rules to allow a young British musician to tour there?
Like not that many years ago, my lad and his mates formed a band. They were pretty good. Did a video and recorded an EP, and built up a decent following in Bristol and at minor festivals. Enter the internet, and they started getting clicks from the EU. Holland and Belgium mainly.
So in double quick time, a small tour over there was arranged for them by some pal of theirs. Off they went, had the time of their lives, sold some stuff, and done ok.
They literally could not do that now.
For what?
peteblue
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I’m not blaming the EU for anything. I merely observed the intransigence experienced since we left and suggested that the EU bureaucracy would not allow a sensible way forward. We do however have theatres and venues within the U.K. and a thriving market for live entertainment, so perhaps these bands and orchestras can get around the U.K. a bit more often than they do today.....
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
peteblue
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For the example you state, a tour organised by a mate, apart from visas, what would stop them ? What would be different ?...
peteblue
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Depends on whether they want U.K. bands and orchestras performing. If they do then accommodations can be made, and if they don’t then just continue as is......
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Well the visas. And the time they may take. And the ability to literally do it the next week.
And then the cost that visas might (I have no idea) be.
Not a clue if that all has to be repeated for Holland and Belgium, or if they would have an EU visa. Have a feeling that wouldnt be the case.
Great, another big win.
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