Current Affairs EU In or Out
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That kind of thing would still be possible, but I guess the point is that it's that much harder now than it was before when the whole point of international agreements is to make activities easier, not harder. I would imagine that people across many walks of life will ultimately follow the path of least resistance, and we'll see just what that will mean for the UK. In the case of musicians, it seems to be European clients hiring EU artists, not British artists, just because it's that much easier to do so.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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Yeah it's awful to read - here's an award winning, professional, young musician justifiably upset that through no fault of her own she's denied the right to work freely across Europe, and has had 120 paying gigs cancelled, yet some ageing amateur muso replies by saying 'well I've lost some gigs too, not that I need the money, anyway get over it, you need visas to play in the US you know'. Totally missing the point and displaying no empathy at all.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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You have literally no idea what you're talking about. When was the last time you toured internationally mate?
Old Blue 2
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Don't twist my words Bruce (as you have always tended to do), and attribute something to me that I patently did not say!
What you posted showed a visa scenario with the EU now - yes?
What I posted was the situation with those who go to play in the USA - work permit and visa - yes?
Some things never change with you...
roydo
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So you concede that is is more difficult for young musicians and bands to tour the EU, and more expensive as a bonus, than it was before?
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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Nor with you. Bruce makes a point and you try to deflect with some false equivalency, because you can't construct a viable argument - I mean, what does the US have to do with what was posted?
Never mind, I'm sure you'll respond by posting a Youtube link to some God awful Dad-rock, with lyrics that you've massively misunderstood.
Old Blue 2
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It has been more difficult for young musicians for quite some time even here in the UK, particularly since the smoking ban in pubs came into force. The reason being less people went to pubs, and the knock-on effect was that a lot of pub venues ceased having live music. No big song-and-dance was made about that at the time about the loss of venues and consequent less playing by performers.
As for touring the EU, I don't know the numbers of bands/musicians who tour the EU every year, so I cannot make any kind of comparison with those who don't. I suspect in normal times there is a far greater number of pro/semi-pro players who play solely in the UK than those who tour the EU, but as I say, I do not have the numbers so I can only guess, rather than post a fully-informed point.
PaulPowersTash
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Or to any of the 169 countries outside of the EU?
roydo
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So you havnt a clue then?
My lad and his band didnt bat an eyelid when they did mini tours in Europe, now they wouldnt bother.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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It used to be so easy to get a gig in a holiday resort or on a Med cruise. Decent money and good perks etc. And that's only for hacks like me that play covers. It was a great way to get a free holiday and earn some cash and valuable experience.
I really feel sorry for young musos that will no longer have the experience of supporting a well known band on a European tour. No way will UK artists get those opportunities any more.
Yet another Brexit bonus. 'Kin Boomers.
Old Blue 2
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Your first paragraph - my reply (once again). You don't have a clue either. At least I am honest enough to lay it all out and say so.
'...As for touring the EU, I don't know the numbers of bands/musicians who tour the EU every year, so I cannot make any kind of comparison with those who don't. I suspect in normal times there is a far greater number of pro/semi-pro players who play solely in the UK than those who tour the EU, but as I say, I do not have the numbers so I can only guess, rather than post a fully-informed point...'
?? What other countries can you get off a plane, get a job and stay for a year with no visas, permits etc?
You'll find at the top of this page an interview with the Incorporated Society of Musicians saying that this is a major problem. You and I may not have a clue, but you'd assume the professional body for musicians would do, yet you choose to ignore that.
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