Current Affairs EU In or Out

[tsubaki]

Yes actually, Soriot stated the UK were three months earlier and contractually ensured a set portion of production from UK factories.

It's nothing to do with the UK. This is a dispute between AZ and the EU. The EU have made it about the UK for no valid reason.

It looks like they didn’t sign on the basis of the lower figure though, did they? That is the issue here, what was promised.

 

[Tubey]

It looks like they didn’t sign on the basis of the lower figure though, did they? That is the issue here, what was promised.

What was promised is an issue between AZ and the EU.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the UK. Yet the EU have made threats to UK vaccine supply.

So they're moaning about a contract being breached by threatening to deliberately breach others who are not involved. Bullying, pure and simple.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Sounds to me AstraZeneca has committed to use its Best Reasonable Efforts to build capacity to manufacture 300 million Doses of
the Vaccine, at no profit and no loss to AstraZeneca, but cant so the So EU Commission will assist as agreed in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement.

And jumped on by some of here, Brexit and Conservatives in particular, to willy wave and to divert attentions away from our very awful UK deaths of 103,126 people.

In the mean time many countries have no vaccines at all, not a good look for all involved.

 

[Tubey]

Sounds to me AstraZeneca has committed to use its Best Reasonable Efforts to build capacity to manufacture 300 million Doses of
the Vaccine, at no profit and no loss to AstraZeneca, but cant so the So EU Commission will assist as agreed in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement.

And jumped on by some of here, Brexit and Conservatives in particular, to willy wave and to divert attentions away from our very awful UK deaths of 103,126 people.

In the mean time many countries have no vaccines at all, not a good look for all involved.

Erm... no.

The UK has been one of the worst countries in the world at responding to this pandemic, because of a piss-poor government. It'd take a dyed-in-the-wool idiot Tory to really deny otherwise; the response has been a joke, right up there alongside Bolsonaro in Brazil and Trump.

However... they've nailed the vaccine acquisition and rollout. Absolutely, provably nailed it.

It's not a diversion to just acknowledge when things are done right. It seems impossible for people to just move from their entrenched positions on any given subject - you can honestly be a Tory and say they screwed up the pandemic response. You can be pro-EU and say the Tories got the vaccines right. It's not betraying your core beliefs to just acknowledge the obvious.

 

[tsubaki]

What was promised is an issue between AZ and the EU.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the UK. Yet the EU have made threats to UK vaccine supply.

So they're moaning about a contract being breached by threatening to deliberately breach others who are not involved. Bullying, pure and simple.

Perhaps then your ire would be better aimed at the company responsible for this state of affairs, rather than going along with the usual gang as they bang their Brexity drum.

 

[tsubaki]

Sounds to me AstraZeneca has committed to use its Best Reasonable Efforts to build capacity to manufacture 300 million Doses of
the Vaccine, at no profit and no loss to AstraZeneca, but cant so the So EU Commission will assist as agreed in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement.

And jumped on by some of here, Brexit and Conservatives in particular, to willy wave and to divert attentions away from our very awful UK deaths of 103,126 people.

In the mean time many countries have no vaccines at all, not a good look for all involved.

I note HMG won’t be publishing our contract with AZ “for national security reasons”.

 

[Tubey]

Perhaps then your ire would be better aimed at the company responsible for this state of affairs, rather than going along with the usual gang as they bang their Brexity drum.

I can't as its the EU who have made this about something beyond a contract dispute with a private company. The EU had every right to be annoyed at AZ; but they made it much more than that when they spat their dummy out and threatened the Pfizer supply and demanded UK doses.

The EU have been petulant. It really is a case of "it is what it is".

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So they're moaning about a contract being breached by threatening to deliberately breach others who are not involved. Bullying, pure and simple.

China does it America does EU also, nothing new, in fact its one of the two fundamentals why I voted to remain... Im sure going forwards many countries are going to bully the UK, because they can now.

Erm... no.

The UK has been one of the worst countries in the world at responding to this pandemic, because of a piss-poor government. It'd take a dyed-in-the-wool idiot Tory to really deny otherwise; the response has been a joke, right up there alongside Bolsonaro in Brazil and Trump.

However... they've nailed the vaccine acquisition and rollout. Absolutely, provably nailed it.

It's not a diversion to just acknowledge when things are done right. It seems impossible for people to just move from their entrenched positions on any given subject - you can honestly be a Tory and say they screwed up the pandemic response. You can be pro-EU and say the Tories got the vaccines right. It's not betraying your core beliefs to just acknowledge the obvious.

Yes very much so, the timing is remarkable coincidence. And timing is everything.

AZ are very thankful for all that UK tax payer money, very thankful indeed.

Winning is everything hey... Tories are right on vaccines, its the very least they should have done, will do nothing for 103,126 who have died...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sounds to me AstraZeneca has committed to use its Best Reasonable Efforts to build capacity to manufacture 300 million Doses of
the Vaccine, at no profit and no loss to AstraZeneca, but cant so the So EU Commission will assist as agreed in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement.

And jumped on by some of here, Brexit and Conservatives in particular, to willy wave and to divert attentions away from our very awful UK deaths of 103,126 people.

In the mean time many countries have no vaccines at all, not a good look for all involved.

"AstraZeneca shall use its best reasonable efforts to manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located within the EU (which for the purpose of this section only shall include the UK) and may manufacture the vaccine in non-EU facilities to accelerate supply of the vaccine in Europe provided, that AstraZeneca shall provide prior written notice of such non-EU manufacturing facilities to the Commission which shall include an explanation for such determination to use non-EU manufacturing facilities."

 

[Tubey]

China does it America does EU also, nothing new, in fact its one of the two fundamentals why I voted to remain... Im sure going forwards many countries are going to bully the UK, because they can now.

Yes very much so, the timing is remarkable coincidence. And timing is everything.

AZ are very thankful for all that UK tax payer money, very thankful indeed.

Winning is everything hey... Tories are right on vaccines, its the very least they should have done, will do nothing for 103,126 who have died...

One good thing done doesn't erase bad things done. But the good thing still exists in its' own right.

It's not a thought crime for your personal side to just acknowledge when the other side gets something right.

Brexit is still stupid, but the EU have been ridiculous here. The Tories are still an incompetent mess, but they've somehow stumbled upon absolutely nailing one specific thing.

 

[peteblue]

Saving lives is ultimately what everyone is trying to do with this. The vaccine programme is a part of that. Just saying that trumpeting the success the UK is having with vaccines when so many more people have died than need to have been the case is not a great look. Most of those dying at the moment will have caught the virus over Christmas when everything was so ballsed up.

No one is ‘trumpeting’ the success of the U.K., people are merely aghast at the utter failure and flailing around of the EU, and especially with its threat to interrupt U.K. supplies again because of its own failures. As I posted yesterday, if the roles had been reversed, many on here would be absolutely destroying the U.K. governments performance, but as it’s the EU we should forget about it or even worse attempt to defend it....shocking really ....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"In the event AstraZeneca's ability to fulfill its obligations under this Agreement is impeded by a competing agreement entered into by or on behalf of the Commission, AstraZeneca shall promptly inform the Commission. While AstraZeneca shall continue to use Best Reasonable Efforts to engage with its own contract manufacturers and suppliers to utilize the capacity and/or components, the Commission will assist in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement."

 

[Tubey]

"In the event AstraZeneca's ability to fulfill its obligations under this Agreement is impeded by a competing agreement entered into by or on behalf of the Commission, AstraZeneca shall promptly inform the Commission. While AstraZeneca shall continue to use Best Reasonable Efforts to engage with its own contract manufacturers and suppliers to utilize the capacity and/or components, the Commission will assist in finding a mutually acceptable solution for this Agreement and the competing agreement."

Indeed, which is what I said - the EU would be best served by negotiating in good faith with the UK for excess supply to mitigate the shortfall. Instead of threatening the UK's Pfizer supply chain and demanding UK doses.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No one is ‘trumpeting’ the success of the U.K., people are merely aghast at the utter failure and flailing around of the EU, and especially with its threat to interrupt U.K. supplies again because of its own failures. As I posted yesterday, if the roles had been reversed, many on here would be absolutely destroying the U.K. governments performance, but as it’s the EU we should forget about it or even worse attempt to defend it....shocking really ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall anyone defending any suggestions that the Pfizer vaccine should be restricted from leaving the EU. It's an indefensible suggestion and I'm sure one that won't come to pass.

 

[tsubaki]

Erm... no.

The UK has been one of the worst countries in the world at responding to this pandemic, because of a piss-poor government. It'd take a dyed-in-the-wool idiot Tory to really deny otherwise; the response has been a joke, right up there alongside Bolsonaro in Brazil and Trump.

However... they've nailed the vaccine acquisition and rollout. Absolutely, provably nailed it.

It's not a diversion to just acknowledge when things are done right. It seems impossible for people to just move from their entrenched positions on any given subject - you can honestly be a Tory and say they screwed up the pandemic response. You can be pro-EU and say the Tories got the vaccines right. It's not betraying your core beliefs to just acknowledge the obvious.

They’ve not nailed it though - we absolutely lead the world in number of injections, but that is not the same as number of vaccinations because of the disparity between first and second doses, and because of the “confusion” around the Pfizer advice (whether we actually are giving it as the firm mandated).

The sad part is that we should be really miles ahead of everyone; we could have between 2 and 3 million actually vaccinated right now with another 2 million on the first dose and awaiting the second. The NHS is uniquely well designed to do this sort of simple, free, mass programme.

Giving people the doses in two goes, 3-4 weeks apart was the basis the vaccines (including AZ, despite what they’ve said subsequently) were approved on. We’ve not done that, for reasons that still aren’t particularly well evidenced.

I hope it works, but I fear in a few months we will find that people are having to get another round of jabs.