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Bruce Wayne said:
Incidentally, it makes me pretty uneasy that Israel, for example, have appeared to get as far as they have with their vaccinations in part because they were willing to pay extra for each dose. Obviously there is also a difference in price paid between the UK and EU, and you would hope that isn't influencing which areas get the vaccines and which don't.
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Could well be the case I suppose. Just speculating here, but in a business situation if a supplier can't produce enough to fulfill 2 contracts I guess they would prioritise the one that is more lucrative? That's just an uneducated guess really. It would make more sense than "first come, first served".
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Err, you know the Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany, right? And just to reiterate, these vaccines don't "belong" to any nation. They've been ordered by nations and it's the pharma companies job to fulfil those orders using the supply chain they have at their disposal. I'm just saying that just as the Pfizer vaccine that is made in Belgium shouldn't be restricted to mainland European customers, neither should the AZ vaccine that is being partly made in Britain be limited to just supplying Britain. Vaccine nationalism is not the way we get out of this with our humanity and dignity intact.
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Going to be some shocked people when they realise that most of our PPE is Chinese made or 80% of the radioisotopes we use are made imported.

Going to be a further shock when people realise that the EU have AZ/Oxford €340m to increase production and assist with vaccine development.
 
The vaccine rollout lads is very much its in infancy i would be cautious on declaring winners or loosers at this point. A number of twists and turns and peaks and troughs can and most likely will happen. We would all to well to leave the jingoism at the door.

Imagine tomorrow, the EMA says the efficacy of AZ isnt enough to be licensed for over 65s - its the first time AZ have gone for full market approval and its the first adenovirus vaccine and its a rigorous affair- that puts the Uk in a tricky position (hopefully not) and there could be criticism they jumped to soon if it came to pass. Do the EU pull up the ladder on Biotech - they got an extra 150 mill doses yesterday, Curevac are going to bolt after J&J shortly, the EU have a massive supply of that German Mrna vaccine (similar to Pfizer and Moderna), the UK haven't ordered any. If the 12 week spacing between jabs falls flat on its face with the Mrna jabs do Europe shut the door on the UK trying to buy more from the German companies.

Not saying any of the above will happen but an example of how things could peak and trough very easily, i think there will be many interchangeable periods of want and need during the vaccine roll out and we would do well to look at human aspect apart from a jingoistic one, its a huge pity in a way the Uk aren't part of the EU at the moment, we would all have that shared goal for each others welfare.
 
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Tubey said:
The vaccine supply chain in the UK is different to that contracted to the EU. They have their own factories.

It's not about countries; it's about contracts. The EU screwed up by being months behind the ball and tied up in bureaucracy. It is what it is.

The UK government have screwed up pretty much everything about this pandemic, late on absolutely everything, half arsed every measure... except for the vaccine. They've absolutely nailed the vaccine.

It's a "credit where it's due" situation.
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It really does depend on the details of the contract. 'we got there first' won't hold much weight contractually, if AZ have given assurances to the EU about supply.
 
Neiler said:
The vaccine rollout lads is very much its in infancy i would be cautious on declaring winners or loosers at this point. A number of twists and turns and peaks and troughs can happen. We would all to well to leave the jingoism at the door.

Imagine tomorrow, the EMA says the efficacy of AZ isnt enough to be licensed for over 65s - its the first time AZ have gone for full market approval and its the first adenovirus vaccine and its rigorous affair- that puts the Uk in a tricky position (hopefully not) and their will be criticism they jumped to soon. Do the EU pull up the ladder on Biotech - they got an extra 150 mill doses yesterday, Curevac are going to bolt after J&J shortly, the EU have a massive supply of that German Mrna vaccine (similar to Pfizer and Moderna), the UK haven't ordered any. If the 12 week spacing between jabs falls flat on its face with the Mrna jabs do Europe shut the door on the UK trying to buy more from the German companies.

Not saying any of the above will happen but an example of how things could peak and trough very easily, i think there will be many interchangeable periods of want and need during the vaccine roll out and we would do well to look at human aspect apart from a jingoistic one, its a huge pity in a way the Uk aren't part of the EU at the moment, we would all have that shared goal for each others welfare.
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Well said.

Some bizarre commentary on the EU vaccine rollout. More worrying for the 'we got it right' people is that there is a very long way to go with vaccination (that still has to be coupled with ongoing public health) and if AZ are struggling to meet demand they've agreed to internationally, then it's a worry for the UK as well.
 
Jebus_lives said:
It really does depend on the details of the contract. 'we got there first' won't hold much weight contractually, if AZ have given assurances to the EU about supply.
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TBF it would be interesting to see the reaction here if, as reported in Deutsche Welle yesterday and in the Guardian today, AZ have been sending EU production to the UK to fulfil that (the UK) contract.

www.theguardian.com

EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

European commission says new mechanism will give national regulators power to refuse exports
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
tsubaki said:
TBF it would be interesting to see the reaction here if, as reported in Deutsche Welle yesterday and in the Guardian today, AZ have been sending EU production to the UK to fulfil that (the UK) contract.

www.theguardian.com

EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

European commission says new mechanism will give national regulators power to refuse exports
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Just reading between the lines, but I suspect the EU push to publish the contract, the heavy defence ("OUR jabs") by UK press, the 'we got there first' mantra and the 'we will work with you' offer from Government, would suggest the EU can possibly be a little aggrieved by the handling of the supply.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Totally. I don’t particularly think my life should be valued higher than someone else’s due to where they live.
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Imagine the worry and reality that developing nations are facing now, it is heartbreaking. Imagine being in a country that cannot lockdown because the gov does not have the financial resource to pay people to stay at home, so the population have to go out and work in order to eat/survive.

I'm not particularly pleased with the EU on this latest farce and the vaccine programme looks like it might be one thing that our gov got right but from a bigger picture perspective, this is a moral test for us all as a species that might just have a sting in the tail if we don't do the right thing.
 
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