Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, it makes me pretty uneasy that Israel, for example, have appeared to get as far as they have with their vaccinations in part because they were willing to pay extra for each dose. Obviously there is also a difference in price paid between the UK and EU, and you would hope that isn't influencing which areas get the vaccines and which don't.

 

[peteblue]

As I say, it's not an area I know that well, but from the outside, it does appear to be quite vertically integrated, so it's not as easy to recruit all manufacturing facilities behind a single vaccine as many seem owned by competing pharma firms. I think we're building a national facility in Oxford but not only will it not come online until next year, but I'm not sure it would produce the volume required for a pandemic like this.

The new Oxford facility are claiming that it would be able to provide vaccines to the whole of the U.K. (70 M doses) within a 4-5 month time period.....

 

[peteblue]

Incidentally, it makes me pretty uneasy that Israel, for example, have appeared to get as far as they have with their vaccinations in part because they were willing to pay extra for each dose. Obviously there is also a difference in price paid between the UK and EU, and you would hope that isn't influencing which areas get the vaccines and which don't.

AZ said there is hardly any difference between countries, Pfizer probably different, but don’t really know.....

 

[Alan Whittle]

It should however ram home to the U.K. that they are not friends of ours, and in truth never have been.

Whose “truth” is that then?

 

[peteblue]

Incidentally, it makes me pretty uneasy that Israel, for example, have appeared to get as far as they have with their vaccinations in part because they were willing to pay extra for each dose. Obviously there is also a difference in price paid between the UK and EU, and you would hope that isn't influencing which areas get the vaccines and which don't.

Just read that yes, Israel did pay Pfizer more, but that ”Israel is giving Pfizer access to the medical statistics of millions of its citizens to study how the vaccine works - a whole country as one big vaccine study. And Israel has good medical data, records going back 30 years at the click of a mouse. Ziv Ofek of the medical data company MDClone helped build Israel's health database and says it gives researchers huge potential for studying the vaccine.”

 

[roydo]

Incidentally, it makes me pretty uneasy that Israel, for example, have appeared to get as far as they have with their vaccinations in part because they were willing to pay extra for each dose. Obviously there is also a difference in price paid between the UK and EU, and you would hope that isn't influencing which areas get the vaccines and which don't.

If there was a serious difference in the price they paid, it would be almost certainly down to them footing the bill for distribution. Rapid distribution that is.

Hope so anyrate.

 

[peteblue]

The thing is Pete, just as I don't demand that our parliamentary democracy be thrown out because I think the current government is crap, I don't think we should throw out the great many fantastic things the EU offers because they're not so good in other areas. The sensible thing to do is to accept that the good outweighs the bad and stay inside so you can work on the bad.

Bruce had that been remotely possible I would have voted for it. But the EU will become the U.S.E. without doubt and the people will have little say. The EU could still open its doors to others and work with them in a collaborative manner, and trade etc etc. But they won’t. Just look at how they insisted we couldn’t access the Galileo system after having been one of its main and key contributors. They are focused on ever closer Union and you are either in or out, and that drives everything they do. Like it or not but the U.K. looks at life slightly differently. We are not European, we just happen to part of Europe....

 

[dead_soft]

Bruce had that been remotely possible I would have voted for it. But the EU will become the U.S.E. without doubt and the people will have little say. The EU could still open its doors to others and work with them in a collaborative manner, and trade etc etc. But they won’t. Just look at how they insisted we couldn’t access the Galileo system after having been one of its main and key contributors. They are focused on ever closer Union and you are either in or out, and that drives everything they do. Like it or not but the U.K. looks at life slightly differently. We are not European, we just happen to part of Europe....

You have no idea how the UK looks at life. You are an out of touch bigot and a xenophobe and hold views that make this nation worse with every passing second.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Critical success factors for small UK chemical distribution businesses: the Brexit effect - LSE Business Review

Small and medium enterprises have a large presence in chemical distribution, an industry that contributes to the UK's economy and employment. Brexit, however, presents a few new challenges to these businesses. Among the key factors for the success of smaller chemical distributors, Evripidis...

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If anyone's interested btw https://innovationorigins.com/coron...-netherlands-is-vaccinating-at-a-snails-pace/

 

[tsubaki]

If anyone's interested btw https://innovationorigins.com/coron...-netherlands-is-vaccinating-at-a-snails-pace/

it’s an interesting piece, though it doesn’t seem to recognise that the NHS being (albeit fragmented these days) a state run monolithic organisation is a big part of why the government have been able to do this.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Wholeheartedly agree with Ellwood ,however, this Tory chum really needs to have a long hard reflective look at his party and the government he belongs too because petty is what it's good at.

Tobias Ellwood, also a former Foreign Office minister and current chairman of the Commons Defence Committee described the decision as "simply petty".
"Biden commits to strengthening alliances and we engage in silly spats which will not help strengthen security and trade cooperation - we are better than this," he said.

UK accused of 'petty' behaviour in EU diplomat row

Ex-ministers have criticised the UK for downgrading the diplomatic status of the EU's ambassador.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[tsubaki]

Wholeheartedly agree with Ellwood ,however, this Tory chum really needs to have a long hard reflective look at his party and the government he belongs too because petty is what it's good at.

Tobias Ellwood, also a former Foreign Office minister and current chairman of the Commons Defence Committee described the decision as "simply petty".
"Biden commits to strengthening alliances and we engage in silly spats which will not help strengthen security and trade cooperation - we are better than this," he said.

UK accused of 'petty' behaviour in EU diplomat row

Ex-ministers have criticised the UK for downgrading the diplomatic status of the EU's ambassador.

www.bbc.co.uk

I have a lot of time for Ellwood, but yes he needs to fight his own party a bit more.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

it’s an interesting piece, though it doesn’t seem to recognise that the NHS being (albeit fragmented these days) a state run monolithic organisation is a big part of why the government have been able to do this.

There death rate from this Virus is a lot more positive than ours as it is similar countries to the UK. Would imagine that is driver in vaccine responses. Plenty of other countries I would rather be with this virus than UK simply put.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It should also be perhaps remembered in this vaccine hoohaa, that when it was suggested that the Pfizer vaccines made in Belgium should be kept for the EU market it was met with outrage by Brexiters. Keep that in mind when the AZ vaccine made in the UK is being discussed.