Current Affairs EU In or Out

[sbbefc]

You have no idea how the UK looks at life. You are an out of touch bigot and a xenophobe and hold views that make this nation worse with every passing second.

We live on an island located within Europe. The island hasn't moved much in millions of years. We are European weather grampa gammons like it or not.

We are just as European as all the other continental countries who also had their fingers in the colonial pie (the Dutch, French, Spanish etc etc).

It's completely bizarre to think otherwise. British exceptionalism.

 

[arminisgod]

It should also be perhaps remembered in this vaccine hoohaa, that when it was suggested that the Pfizer vaccines made in Belgium should be kept for the EU market it was met with outrage by Brexiters. Keep that in mind when the AZ vaccine made in the UK is being discussed.

We funded the vaccine, we were the ones who arranged for az and Oxford to work together, we signed a contract well in advance.

We currently have the worst death rate in the world. We have every right to say you can have it but only after we have solved our issues first.

If the EU funded vaccine worked the debate wouldn't even happen. The EU have failed its citizens, how about they accept blame instead of accusing the UK of blame.

Don't hold the EU up as a saintly high and might cause. They are demanding the uk give up some of its vaccine... so people in the uk are OK to die at the expense of EU citizens?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We funded the vaccine, we were the ones who arranged for az and Oxford to work together, we signed a contract well in advance.

We currently have the worst death rate in the world. We have every right to say you can have it but only after we have solved our issues first.

If the EU funded vaccine worked the debate wouldn't even happen. The EU have failed its citizens, how about they accept blame instead of accusing the UK of blame.

Don't hold the EU up as a saintly high and might cause. They are demanding the uk give up some of its vaccine... so people in the uk are OK to die at the expense of EU citizens?

Err, you know the Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany, right? And just to reiterate, these vaccines don't "belong" to any nation. They've been ordered by nations and it's the pharma companies job to fulfil those orders using the supply chain they have at their disposal. I'm just saying that just as the Pfizer vaccine that is made in Belgium shouldn't be restricted to mainland European customers, neither should the AZ vaccine that is being partly made in Britain be limited to just supplying Britain. Vaccine nationalism is not the way we get out of this with our humanity and dignity intact.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

so people in the uk are OK to die at the expense of EU citizens?

Totally. I don’t particularly think my life should be valued higher than someone else’s due to where they live.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Totally. I don’t particularly think my life should be valued higher than someone else’s due to where they live.

This is getting very ugly isn't it?

 

[Tubey]

Or, to translate from Tory for you, "it got too much attention for now so we'll shelve it for a few months and then do it quietly when nobody is looking as much."

 

[JimmyJeffers]

This is getting very ugly isn't it?

Find it pretty upsetting I’m not gonna lie. I think much like yourself, I’ve always tried to maintain a positive outlook for humanity but this is getting beaten down every single day.

 

[arminisgod]

Err, you know the Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany, right? And just to reiterate, these vaccines don't "belong" to any nation. They've been ordered by nations and it's the pharma companies job to fulfil those orders using the supply chain they have at their disposal. I'm just saying that just as the Pfizer vaccine that is made in Belgium shouldn't be restricted to mainland European customers, neither should the AZ vaccine that is being partly made in Britain be limited to just supplying Britain. Vaccine nationalism is not the way we get out of this with our humanity and dignity intact.

Yes it should because that was in the contract the uk signed with AZ. The EU were late to the party.... because of their ridiculous ideals of being a super state.

 

[arminisgod]

Totally. I don’t particularly think my life should be valued higher than someone else’s due to where they live.

Thankfully you are not in government.

None of this needed to happen... its all on the EU. They had the chance to deal either AZ earlier, they also had the option of buying the German one but instead didn't want the French to feel left out. That failed.

They are demanding that potentially killing uk citizens is absolutely fine just so they can stock pile a vaccine they haven't even cleared to use yet!

I see Hungary have broken ranks and bought the sputnik one. 2 countries in Europe are having major success in their vaccine programme...

Neither are in the EU

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thankfully you are not in government.

None of this needed to happen... its all on the EU. They had the chance to deal either AZ earlier, they also had the option of buying the German one but instead didn't want the French to feel left out. That failed.

They are demanding that potentially killing uk citizens is absolutely fine just so they can stock pile a vaccine they haven't even cleared to use yet!

I see Hungary have broken ranks and bought the sputnik one. 2 countries in Europe are having major success in their vaccine programme...

Neither are in the EU

 

[tsubaki]

Imagine waking up and deciding to argue on behalf of a company solely because you don’t like the other party to a contract the company has signed, in an effort to protect a government whose mishandling of a crisis has killed tens of thousands of people.

taeK baCK conTrOl

 

[Tubey]

Totally. I don’t particularly think my life should be valued higher than someone else’s due to where they live.

The vaccine supply chain in the UK is different to that contracted to the EU. They have their own factories.

It's not about countries; it's about contracts. The EU screwed up by being months behind the ball and tied up in bureaucracy. It is what it is.

The UK government have screwed up pretty much everything about this pandemic, late on absolutely everything, half arsed every measure... except for the vaccine. They've absolutely nailed the vaccine.

It's a "credit where it's due" situation.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

The vaccine supply chain in the UK is different to that contracted to the EU. They have their own factories.

It's not about countries; it's about contracts. The EU screwed up by being months behind the ball and tied up in bureaucracy. It is what it is.

The UK government have screwed up pretty much everything about this pandemic, late on absolutely everything, half arsed every measure... except for the vaccine. They've absolutely nailed the vaccine.

It's a "credit where it's due" situation.

I certainly don’t disagree. I was more taking umbrage at the language the poster was using, especially considering his known opinions of Polish people and Muslims.

 

[Amw79]

The vaccine supply chain in the UK is different to that contracted to the EU. They have their own factories.

It's not about countries; it's about contracts. The EU screwed up by being months behind the ball and tied up in bureaucracy. It is what it is.

The UK government have screwed up pretty much everything about this pandemic, late on absolutely everything, half arsed every measure... except for the vaccine. They've absolutely nailed the vaccine.

It's a "credit where it's due" situation.

Agree with this. The contract procurement by the gov has been excellent, which is an area they are usually dreadful at, in terms of value for money, at least.

I think a bit of caution though is sensible. The vaccine rollout is a marathon not a sprint. By the time we get round the entire population, those most vulnerable who started getting it in December, could well need another vaccination at that point, as the immunity from their first vaccination may have deteriorated.

So, while it’s great we’ve got off the mark so quick, and hopefully helps us break the back of the infection rates in the short term, we need long term supply throughout this entire year, for when we loop back round to start giving some of the population the 2nd vaccination.

 

[arminisgod]

I certainly don’t disagree. I was more taking umbrage at the language the poster was using, especially considering his known opinions of Polish people and Muslims.

What language? Give it a rest. I have no issue with Polish people or Muslims.

Stop pushing an agenda that isn't there