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Tend to find that in discussions online, people are more likely to double down and go all polemic than in a ‘real-life’ discussion. Also, people find it easier to lie a lot.
bluejim95
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bluejim95
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Apologies if this has already been posted
www.theguardian.com
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues
peteblue
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Apologies if this has already been posted
Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told
Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues
The apologies should be for posting it in the first place .....
just kidding...
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
The benefits of Brexit keep on a-coming.
All that "making it easier" sounds awfully hard
I particularly like this one. The direct cost of this band of bandits being given "sovereignty".
I particularly like this one. The direct cost of this band of bandits being given "sovereignty".
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There's also an interesting bit about the new VAT rules (seeing as they were discussed recently)
I believe the official government advice is "You've had 4 years to prepare" and "wait and see"
I liked this bit
It's this notion that he cares for Brexiters that I find most amazing. He's shown nothing in his entire life to suggest that's the case and not a single member of his cabinet will be affected one jot by what happens.
Billy Dean
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I think conditions in the uk that would facilitate such changes currently don’t exist. In other countries home ownership is lower because tenants have much more legal protection and rent prices are less onerous.No offence taken. Just sharing some insights from my line of work. We're facing a number of things that are almost certain. Firstly, we're living longer and so people entering the workforce today are almost certainly going to be working far longer than their parents. So the old "study>work>retire" model is quite probably not going to apply to them. I'm not even convinced it will apply to you and I, but lets be conservative and say our children. If people are working for 60 years with the pace that the world is moving today the idea that you'll do one thing for that entire time is highly unlikely.
This is especially so given the pace of technological change, which is likely to force change upon people even if they don't engage in it willingly. I'm generally not a subscriber to the "robots are taking our jobs" thing, but they are almost certainly going to change the jobs we do, and the things that we will need to be good at in order to stay in work.
There may be other macro trends but those are the two that we can talk about with a degree of certainty. Obviously, we can pretend these things aren't happening or we can adapt as individuals and as a society. As you say, education is the biggest area for change as university education is ruinously expensive if we need to engage with it more than once or twice in our lives. We've seen shorter micro-courses grow in popularity but transferrable credentials remain an area where the job market hasn't really caught up. Similarly, countries like South Korea have perhaps led the way in supporting lifelong learning, both in terms of providing financial support to people and with accrediting training they do do. It is likely to require state intervention of that nature as evidence from employers shows that they tend to recruit in the skills they need rather than develop their existing workforce.
With housing and to a large extent transportation, the days of owning these assets also seem to be ebbing away. I suspect as a Londoner you are already familiar with not owning a car and "renting" either an Uber style service or public transport. If we ever get to a point where driverless cars become a reality then the car ownership model will become even less feasible. I wouldn't be surprised if home ownership doesn't go the same way. Homeownership in Switzerland is about 40%. In Germany it's 50%. Egalitarian countries like Denmark and Sweden see around 60%. Are they somehow worse than Romania with 96%? Indeed, The Economist recently went as far as to say that promoting homeownership is the biggest policy mistake the West has ever made.
Home ownership is the West’s biggest economic-policy mistake
It is an obsession that undermines growth, fairness and public faith in capitalismwww.economist.com
I don't think this has to guarantee the kind of dystopian future you describe, but it will require us as individuals and as society to tackle things head-on rather than pretend they don't exist.
Reharding state support for ongoing education that was something I believe the Labour Party offered in their 2019 manifesto and were ridiculed for.
spectateur
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France is not showing any special animosity towards the UK. They are treating UK just the same as any other outside EU nation.
Indeed they are merely applying the system that UK helped set up when it was a member nation.
It would need to be part of a wider body of work I think. Just giving out cash could lead to it being wasted, which is largely what happened with the old Individual Learning Accounts. More effort could also be put into making shorter courses recognized as credentials in the labour market. There have been a few new models emerging where the education is free and the provider takes a cut of your wages when you get a job. A few coding schools operate on such a model. I suppose in a sense that's not much different to the student loan system today.
It's perhaps worth remembering Pete that Brexiters said repeatedly that we have nothing to fear from WTO terms, which this arrangement is barely any better than. If this is treating us badly, are we right to assume that Brexiters didn't really have a clue what WTO terms entailed?
peteblue
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We already exported more under WTO than we did to the EU. The USA always complained about the ’technical‘ requirements from the EU, but tbh if that’s the process then so be it. It’s the application of the process that seems to be causing friction here. As usual we tried to be accommodating and gave a six month easy access to the U.K. to help EU companies get used to the processes. The Eu of course slammed the door shut straight away, while the French in particular appear to be nit picking in the extreme regarding any issue on the paperwork, labelling etc. We will no doubt sort it out. It may also benefit those small companies that trade with the EU in that once they master the processes, they can then open up their businesses outside of Europe having gained experience of export process that they never had before. The Nissan CEO just shrugged it off as part of business, because they are big and experienced in this, the smaller businesses will learn and will benefit from it. France’s intransigence in this matter may well turn into an opportunity......
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