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It’s no bad thing having your own facility. A pathetic £80 million bung is hardly European levels of State Aid......

The two things aren't related.

At some point you'll hopefully face up to what you've helped facilitate. But, hey, as long as you've managed to get an outlet for your angry xenophobia, you're okay, so I don't think anyone will expect you to admit it.
 
No you haven't, why would I ask now?

Ok....

Well putting aside the mechanics, law, unions, payoffs, transfers, closure of a facility etc etc etc, there are the people. I have never made a person redundant who deserved it because of their own performance. It’s always been because of the incompetence of those they worked for.

The first time I had to close a plant down I was still in my twenties. I had lots of HR people advising and so on, but having to let hundreds go and relocate hundreds of others, I took the decision to speak to the whole plant as a group and then individually with every single person over the next four or five days. I could have delegated this to the line management and perhaps should have, but I’m glad I did it as it gave me an insight that many never see.

Now remember all of these people were good people, the vast majority highly qualified and experienced engineers. But every one of them sat in front of me to either be given the news that we were letting them go or were being retained and relocated elsewhere, if they wished.

Now put yourself in my position and imagine looking into the eyes of these men and women, most with families and mortgages and telling them you were letting them go. Each and every one of them having different issues and taking it in differing ways. Some very bullish and had jobs lined up, some desperate for work and in tears. That Is complex, and as you are lucky that you have never had to do it, don’t have a go at those who had to, just count your lucky stars.....
 
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Ok....

Well putting aside the mechanics, law, unions, payoffs, transfers, closure of a facility etc etc etc, there are the people. I have never made a person redundant who deserved it because of their own performance. It’s always been because of the incompetence of those they worked for.

The first time I had to close a plant down I was still in my twenties. I had lots of HR people advising and so on, but having to let hundreds go and relocate hundreds of others, I took the decision to speak to the whole plant as a group and then individually with every single person over the next four or five days. I could have delegated this to the line management and perhaps should have, but I’m glad I did it as it gave me an insight that many never see.

Now remember all of these people were good people, the vast majority highly qualified and experienced engineers. But every one of them sat in front of me to either be given the news that we were letting them go or were being retained and relocated elsewhere, if they wished.

Now put yourself in my position and imagine looking into the eyes of these men and women, most with families and mortgages and telling them you were letting them go. Each and every one of them having different issues and taking it in differing ways. Some very bullish and had jobs lined up, some desperate for work and in tears. That Is complex, and as you are lucky that you have never had to do it, don’t have a go at those who had to, just count your lucky stars.....
Say that to my bro who was made redundant at 29 with his life ahead of him...he comitted suicide as a result of a company who didn't give a [Poor language removed] about him..
You never gave a [Poor language removed] about the people you were sacking..
i have dealt with the fall out from your selfish attitude you are welcome to your retirement with your offshore ill gotten gains.
I have looked into the eyes of people who suffered from you and your company [Poor language removed]..
Rot in hell mate
 
Ok....

Well putting aside the mechanics, law, unions, payoffs, transfers, closure of a facility etc etc etc, there are the people. I have never made a person redundant who deserved it because of their own performance. It’s always been because of the incompetence of those they worked for.

The first time I had to close a plant down I was still in my twenties. I had lots of HR people advising and so on, but having to let hundreds go and relocate hundreds of others, I took the decision to speak to the whole plant as a group and then individually with every single person over the next four or five days. I could have delegated this to the line management and perhaps should have, but I’m glad I did it as it gave me an insight that many never see.

Now remember all of these people were good people, the vast majority highly qualified and experienced engineers. But every one of them sat in front of me to either be given the news that we were letting them go or were being retained and relocated elsewhere, if they wished.

Now put yourself in my position and imagine looking into the eyes of these men and women, most with families and mortgages and telling them you were letting them go. Each and every one of them having different issues and taking it in differing ways. Some very bullish and had jobs lined up, some desperate for work and in tears. That Is complex, and as you are lucky that you have never had to do it, don’t have a go at those who had to, just count your lucky stars.....
....and in all of that self serving diatribe you never once answered the question about “complexity” which was your original objective.
 
Isn't that advantage mainly because it's been made harder for other UK based manufacturers to import batteries so having your own facility is an advantage?

Plus I'm sure if the government gave me £80 million I'd say the odd nice thing. Hard to voice dissent with money stuffed down your gob.
We MUST celebrate the win that is keeping Nissan. It's a Brexit Bonus.

We get to keep what we already had...in your face remainers!
 
Ok....

Well putting aside the mechanics, law, unions, payoffs, transfers, closure of a facility etc etc etc, there are the people. I have never made a person redundant who deserved it because of their own performance. It’s always been because of the incompetence of those they worked for.

The first time I had to close a plant down I was still in my twenties. I had lots of HR people advising and so on, but having to let hundreds go and relocate hundreds of others, I took the decision to speak to the whole plant as a group and then individually with every single person over the next four or five days. I could have delegated this to the line management and perhaps should have, but I’m glad I did it as it gave me an insight that many never see.

Now remember all of these people were good people, the vast majority highly qualified and experienced engineers. But every one of them sat in front of me to either be given the news that we were letting them go or were being retained and relocated elsewhere, if they wished.

Now put yourself in my position and imagine looking into the eyes of these men and women, most with families and mortgages and telling them you were letting them go. Each and every one of them having different issues and taking it in differing ways. Some very bullish and had jobs lined up, some desperate for work and in tears. That Is complex, and as you are lucky that you have never had to do it, don’t have a go at those who had to, just count your lucky stars.....
 
Say that to my bro who was made redundant at 29 with his life ahead of him...he comitted suicide as a result of a company who didn't give a [Poor language removed] about him..
You never gave a [Poor language removed] about the people you were sacking..
i have dealt with the fall out from your selfish attitude you are welcome to your retirement with your offshore ill gotten gains.
I have looked into the eyes of people who suffered from you and your company [Poor language removed]..
Rot in hell mate

Completely uneccesary to be honest.

Tragic about your brother but that's not Petes fault. Redundancies are part and parcel of employment. Always have been and will continue to be so.
 
Completely uneccesary to be honest.

Tragic about your brother but that's not Petes fault. Redundancies are part and parcel of employment. Always have been and will continue to be so.
No it has NOT always been. It came with free market capitalism 40 years ago. Before that it was possible to plan a career.
My career was ruined and my life turned inside out by redundancies in the early 80s.
 
No it has NOT always been. It came with free market capitalism 40 years ago. Before that it was possible to plan a career.
My career was ruined and my life turned inside out by redundancies in the early 80s.
Things change though. The concept of a job for life is not something children should be going into life expecting, and indeed nor should staying with one employer for life. Transferrable skills are key.
 
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