Current Affairs EU In or Out

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GrandOldTeam said:
Aye.

All I can grasp is if I my billing address was within the EU it was an extra 24%.

Wondered if this would become standard for digital software.
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In this type of transaction. If the consumer, i.e. "you" are outside of the EU then they cannot charge VAT at the rate of the local supplier. However you are importing taxable goods into the UK and I think you are liable to pay VAT on these goods at UK rate of 20%.

I would give HMRC a buzz just to be sure.
 
Jebus_lives said:
Why wouldn't it need 143 diplomatic missions? Why is the UK the only exception to the rule?

Unfortunately, just because we left the EU doesn't mean it ceases to exist. It operates as a single entity in many instances.
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“Why wouldn't it need 143 diplomatic missions?” is hardly an answer.

So who might need to call on one of those missions? A citizen from an EU country presumably? So why not just visit the embassy of your own country, as has been done for decades by anyone who ever required assistance? At least we’re no longer helping fund such unnecessary nonsense.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
In this type of transaction. If the consumer, i.e. "you" are outside of the EU then they cannot charge VAT at the rate of the local supplier. However you are importing taxable goods into the UK and I think you are liable to pay VAT on these goods at UK rate of 20%.

I would give HMRC a buzz just to be sure.
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This. One obviously doesn't pay EU vat nowadays, but to the UK treasury. However, didn't our govmnt want it all paid to the exporter and for them to sort it?
 
orchard said:
This. One obviously doesn't pay EU vat nowadays, but to the UK treasury. However, didn't our govmnt want it all paid to the exporter and for them to sort it?
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I'm not sure - how it works now. That's why GOT needs to phone HMRC to clarify. If you bought the same software in the UK, VAT would automatically be applied and you wouldn't bat an eyelid. So there has to be a mechanism in place to stop people in the UK buying software from any other country and importing it into the UK on the cheap.

Hence the need to pay VAT on import of electronic goods.

He could just ignore the VAT liability and buy it anyway...but HMRC will find him, and they will bum him.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
I'm not sure - how it works now. That's why GOT needs to phone HMRC to clarify. If you bought the same software in the UK, VAT would automatically be applied and you wouldn't bat an eyelid. So there has to be a mechanism in place to stop people in the UK buying software from any other country and importing it into the UK on the cheap.

Hence the need to pay VAT on import of electronic goods.

He could just ignore the VAT liability and buy it anyway...but HMRC will find him, and they will bum him.
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Who would get the mugs?
 
Cool_Blue said:
“Why wouldn't it need 143 diplomatic missions?” is hardly an answer.

So who might need to call on one of those missions? A citizen from an EU country presumably? So why not just visit the embassy of your own country, as has been done for decades by anyone who ever required assistance? At least we’re no longer helping fund such unnecessary nonsense.
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It wasn't an answer it was clearly a question.

And diplomats don't just exist in the narrow remit you've just described.

As I said, we may have left but acting like the EU doesn't exist is childish. WR previously had no objections to EU diplomats (we were heavily in favour); we've signed a FTA with the EU less than a month ago as 'Sovereign equals' and now we aren't recognising them as such.

It serves no purpose other than petty posturing. The UK still needs a sensible, good faith, relationship with the EU - we have left the EU but there are a whole range of agreements, transitions, negotiations still to be done.

This, alongside the decision to cease the FREU seem to be an attempt to reduce communication with the EU rather than strengthen it and make it smoother - meaning we will be less able to manage emerging issues...it's counter productive.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
In this type of transaction. If the consumer, i.e. "you" are outside of the EU then they cannot charge VAT at the rate of the local supplier. However you are importing taxable goods into the UK and I think you are liable to pay VAT on these goods at UK rate of 20%.

I would give HMRC a buzz just to be sure.
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orchard said:
This. One obviously doesn't pay EU vat nowadays, but to the UK treasury. However, didn't our govmnt want it all paid to the exporter and for them to sort it?
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"Are you registered for VAT?"
No
"Is your total VAT taxable turnover for the last 12 months over £85,000"
No
"Go away and stop wasting our time"
 
Jebus_lives said:
It wasn't an answer it was clearly a question.

And diplomats don't just exist in the narrow remit you've just described.

As I said, we may have left but acting like the EU doesn't exist is childish. WR previously had no objections to EU diplomats (we were heavily in favour); we've signed a FTA with the EU less than a month ago as 'Sovereign equals' and now we aren't recognising them as such.

It serves no purpose other than petty posturing. The UK still needs a sensible, good faith, relationship with the EU - we have left the EU but there are a whole range of agreements, transitions, negotiations still to be done.

This, alongside the decision to cease the FREU seem to be an attempt to reduce communication with the EU rather than strengthen it and make it smoother - meaning we will be less able to manage emerging issues...it's counter productive.
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As you well know, and are ignoring, I’m not arguing whether the uk is being petty or not, and of course we want a good relationship with the EU, but I say again, and I’ll simplify this: why does the EU (which is not a state) require 143 ‘embassies’? What purpose do they serve?

However, seeing as you mentioned petty/childish, what did you make of the confiscating of British lorry drivers’ cheese and ham butties? Now that is childish.
 
Cool_Blue said:
“Why wouldn't it need 143 diplomatic missions?” is hardly an answer.

So who might need to call on one of those missions? A citizen from an EU country presumably? So why not just visit the embassy of your own country, as has been done for decades by anyone who ever required assistance? At least we’re no longer helping fund such unnecessary nonsense.
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That is not the only purpose of embassies
 
Cool_Blue said:
As you well know, and are ignoring, I’m not arguing whether the uk is being petty or not, and of course we want a good relationship with the EU, but I say again, and I’ll simplify this: why does the EU (which is not a state) require 143 ‘embassies’? What purpose do they serve?

However, seeing as you mentioned petty/childish, what did you make of the confiscating of British lorry drivers’ cheese and ham butties? Now that is childish.
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You're first paragraph seems to be at odds with your second.

You're not arguing about being petty in your first, but providing some whataboutism in your second to justify it.

Regardless if the EU 'needs' diplomats (member states do share share common trade & foreign policy which the EU diplomats represent*), regardless of number, they've had them since 2010, which the UK fully supported. They're recognised as such by every other country the operate in, apart from the petty UK.

And on the Dutch. I think Dutch customs officers are a little less relevant in regards to Sovereignty relations than Government decision. Perhaps we could could send some fun boats to protect our fish*

*Easy this whataboutism.
 
Jebus_lives said:
You're first paragraph seems to be at odds with your second.

You're not arguing about being petty in your first, but providing some whataboutism in your second to justify it.

Regardless if the EU 'needs' diplomats (member states do share share common trade & foreign policy which the EU diplomats represent*), regardless of number, they've had them since 2010, which the UK fully supported. They're recognised as such by every other country the operate in, apart from the petty UK.

And on the Dutch. I think Dutch customs officers are a little less relevant in regards to Sovereignty relations than Government decision. Perhaps we could could send some fun boats to protect our fish*

*Easy this whataboutism.
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whataboutism? So it didn’t happen then? Ok, if you say so.
 
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