Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

Are you saying the majority like it? Because if so, you’re wrong.

Nope. I'm saying the percentage of people who think it is a success doesn't necessarily mean an opposite number dislike it.

Or vice versa

 

[Kev The Rat]

Absolutely nothing wrong with changing your mind when you see the sorts of outcomes we're seeing now. I thought Trump was a good idea in 2016 ffs and look how that turned out

But Brexiteers, more than anyone, should be furious with their government right now imo. They should be demanding more. Brexit wasn't a fundamentally terrible idea, but the campaigning, planning and execution has been absolutely shocking by any measure. @peteblue, bless him, only cared about a Brexit win and is evidently not arsed if it shakes out good or bad. His refrains amount to "we won, nar nar narnar nar". But it's people like him, who are utterly incapable of criticising the current administration and think Bojo can do no wrong even as he jumps from one failure to the next, who will ultimately contribute the least to any success this idea could potentially have.

Nobody wants this to go badly, but there needs to be some answers, some sort of strategy and action, and soon. Instead, people are being told "we're sovereign now" and "just wait and see". Where is the plan?

The conservatives never intended to leave the eu, they wanted a deal that kept the uk linked to the eu. They have that with this surrender treaty. The issue was how to sell it to the British public. The conservatives don't care about financial services, immigration, fishing, farming etc in the slightest.

Farage can, if he wants it, have an absolute field day with this over the coming months/years.

 

[Jebus_lives]

The conservatives never intended to leave the eu, they wanted a deal that kept the uk linked to the eu. They have that with this surrender treaty. The issue was how to sell it to the British public. The conservatives don't care about financial services, immigration, fishing, farming etc in the slightest.

Only remainers moan... Get with the script

 

[Kev The Rat]

Only remainers moan... Get with the script

I think you’ll find leavers anticipated the sell out.

 

[BlueDraka]

Whatever - let’s just see what transpires over the coming weeks polls wise then.

But even that won't really tell us anything. It will be years before we find out if leaving the EU was a good thing or a bad thing. Their will be initial disruption but hopefully that will sort itself out. There is a lot of educated guesswork and speculation from experts. But if they got everything right maybe one of them will tell me the winner of the 2.35 at Lingfield Park tomorrow. Then I would believe what that expert says!

 

[peteblue]

She had the same 'kin deal mate. She just didn't shamble around making vague allusions to "sovereignty". You've been stitched up good and proper here, you just needed a good old Eton boy to sell you the beans

She couldn’t get anything through a dysfunctional HoC, Boris sorted that as well....

 

[peteblue]

I think you’ll find leavers anticipated the sell out.

@tsubaki didnt.....

 

[Kev The Rat]

But even that won't really tell us anything. It will be years before we find out if leaving the EU was a good thing or a bad thing. Their will be initial disruption but hopefully that will sort itself out. There is a lot of educated guesswork and speculation from experts. But if they got everything right maybe one of them will tell me the winner of the 2.35 at Lingfield Park tomorrow. Then I would believe what that expert says!

Conservatives more or less called a referendum due to public/party perception of the Eu which then reflected directly in polls/internal party discipline. You can’t predict how soon people will ‘choose’ to judge the deal - particularly leavers many of whom have at least a distrust of anything that has even an only theoretical connection to the EU.

The idea that people will wait years to form an opinion is another remainer stalling ploy.

 

[Kev The Rat]

@tsubaki didnt.....

I certainly did.

We have the termination clause though - let’s hope it gets used sooner rather than later.

 

[peteblue]

That Varadkar stuff was quite something tbf. I'm putting it down to him being 10 pints deep and having a random pang of racist sentiment as opposed to being indicative of his general view of Irish people with foreign sounding names

I also think wine was involved....

 

[tsubaki]

@tsubaki didnt.....

that makes zero sense pete - I already had a low opinion of this government (and its predecessor), so that they've sold people out is not a surprise

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think you’ll find leavers anticipated the sell out.

This is a great deal...I keep hearing it. Stop moaning

 

[BlueDraka]

Conservatives more or less called a referendum due to public/party perception of the Eu which then reflected directly in polls/internal party discipline. You can’t predict how soon people will ‘choose’ to judge the deal - particularly leavers

Agree with most of what you say. Don't think it was the public who wanted a vote. The Tories had been infighting over the EU for years. Major had trouble. Cameron had trouble but did the stupid thing and went for a referendum. It should never have happened. Just endless arguments now. Myself I say after 5-10 years it will be a good judge if it was worth it or not. In that time demographics will change. If there has been no benefit I can see a pro EU government being elected ( hopefully labour will get it's act together) and advances being made to rejoin

 

[Jebus_lives]

I also think wine was involved....

'haha I'm a terrible racist when I'm drunk...'

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The conservatives never intended to leave the eu, they wanted a deal that kept the uk linked to the eu. They have that with this surrender treaty. The issue was how to sell it to the British public. The conservatives don't care about financial services, immigration, fishing, farming etc in the slightest.

Farage can, if he wants it, have an absolute field day with this over the coming months/years.

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