Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

on the first point, in my opinion, the EU would brake up long before it became a single state, UK or no.
On the second, that really is fantasy politics as leaving with access to the SM/CU was never on the table.

He’d vote to Leave providing we actually stayed in the EU...

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

You'll need to get a Green Card from your current car insurer, which could take 'n' time to get it. Most state a minimum period from which you should request it.

Admiral - 7 days
AA - 14 days
Hastings - 7 days

etc



Some insurers will validate them for the policy life, others it's only 90 days. Some will allow you to print yourself or they have to post out to you.

Finally got mine emailed to me today after about the 4th time of asking. I will need it from Monday onwards to get to work. Its only valid for 3 months though so this will be a repeat process.

The benefits of Brexit just keep rolling in..

 

[Ruairi77]

I really don't think it would, and SM/CU access was offered provided we accepted the rest of what went with it (freedom of movement etc).

On a single nation EU, It would take all 27 to agree and I don't see that happening. Maybe a 2 or 3 speed europe but even that, I don't see.
Countries like Ireland will fight hard for an element of neutrality and control of corporate tax rates. I'm singling out Ireland because I'm familiar with it but I'm sure lots of member states have non negotiable conditions that would make a super state impossible.
The UK fell at the early stages of the race, no way you're getting 27 other countries to that particular finish line.
As for the CU/SM. I take your point. I didn't predict such a wave of rightwing xenophobia.

 

[tsubaki]

On a single nation EU, It would take all 27 to agree and I don't see that happening. Maybe a 2 or 3 speed europe but even that, I don't see.
Countries like Ireland will fight hard for an element of neutrality and control of corporate tax rates. I'm singling out Ireland because I'm familiar with it but I'm sure lots of member states have non negotiable conditions that would make a super state impossible.
The UK fell at the early stages of the race, no way you're getting 27 other countries to that particular finish line.
As for the CU/SM. I take your point. I didn't predict such a wave of rightwing xenophobia.

I think it would be possible, provided the unification measures (freedom of movement for example) were accompanied by the things necessary for those things to exist safely, ie: some supra-national law enforcement and legal standards, so that you couldn't (for example) easily traffic women from one part of the EU to another, or have things that are legal in one state (like guns) into another where they were illegal, or get to a border of one EU state where the local cops / customs agents were poorly paid / corruptible and thereby get access to the whole continent.

 

[ste d' indica]

It is, but do the maths.....

You do understand that systems access doesn't necessarily equate to one person logging in to one system directly, it will be combinations of complex data look-ups, some automated, some with multiple transactional queries. I'm assuming you understand that, and you're just on the wind up like.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Sounds like someone is wasting a lot of manpower playing on computers.....

This is like saying 'why bother with Google when you can go to a library and read every book in there searching for the information'.

 

[roydo]

You do understand that systems access doesn't necessarily equate to one person logging in to one system directly, it will be combinations of complex data look-ups, some automated, some with multiple transactional queries. I'm assuming you understand that, and you're just on the wind up like.

Tier 3 mate! Gonna bomb the Avon Bridge to stop any scruffs.

Oh. EU thread.

Bananas, fish, sommet.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

This is like saying 'why bother with Google when you can go to a library and read every book in there searching for the information'.

Plod will be on the blower all day ringing EU bobbies to ask whether they’ve seen any of our baddies. They’ll be shouting slowly in English though obvs.

Anyone mentioned how the info we’ve lost might have helped keeping baddies out at our supposedly newly secured borders like?

More winning right there.

 

[ste d' indica]

Tier 3 mate! Gonna bomb the Avon Bridge to stop any scruffs.

Oh. EU thread.

Bananas, fish, sommet.

I know! I'm dead happy everyone else gets to do whatever it is they're allowed to do, I however will remain on me couch... I'm a hardcore remainer!!

 

[Jebus_lives]

You do understand that systems access doesn't necessarily equate to one person logging in to one system directly, it will be combinations of complex data look-ups, some automated, some with multiple transactional queries. I'm assuming you understand that, and you're just on the wind up like.

I dont think Pete has quite fully grasped what a Criminal records check does and how often they are used. But let's consider for a moment, rather than each individual request being made instantly by UK police, we have to request access for each from separate EU police forces at varying state, regional and national level.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

On a single nation EU, It would take all 27 to agree and I don't see that happening. Maybe a 2 or 3 speed europe but even that, I don't see.
Countries like Ireland will fight hard for an element of neutrality and control of corporate tax rates. I'm singling out Ireland because I'm familiar with it but I'm sure lots of member states have non negotiable conditions that would make a super state impossible.
The UK fell at the early stages of the race, no way you're getting 27 other countries to that particular finish line.
As for the CU/SM. I take your point. I didn't predict such a wave of rightwing xenophobia.

The USE superstate argument used by Brexiteers as an excuse for leaving is nonsense. There is too much that separates the member states culturally and ideologically for that ever to happen. What the sizeable anti-EU element in England don't and never will get is that despite this, member states want to maximise cooperation between them as far as possible so as to mutually benefit from it. Its about breaking down barriers, not putting them up.

It's such a shame one country has decided to block itself off from the rest of us, despite knowing that it will be economically disadvantaged and will lead to it's own breakup, but we will just have to get on with it.

Sauvrinty or something.

 

[ste d' indica]

I dont think Pete has quite fully grasped what a Criminal records check does and how often they are used. But let's consider for a moment, rather than each individual request being made instantly by UK police, we have to request access for each from separate EU police forces at varying state, regional and national level.

Less red tape... thinner blue line.

 

[Prevenger17]

I realise this is a joke, but was #46 also a joke? You voted to leave, yes? But now you’re taking the pi55 out of those who also voted to leave? I’m confused.....

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Absolutely nothing wrong with changing your mind when you see the sorts of outcomes we're seeing now. I thought Trump was a good idea in 2016 ffs and look how that turned out

But Brexiteers, more than anyone, should be furious with their government right now imo. They should be demanding more. Brexit wasn't a fundamentally terrible idea, but the campaigning, planning and execution has been absolutely shocking by any measure. @peteblue, bless him, only cared about a Brexit win and is evidently not arsed if it shakes out good or bad. His refrains amount to "we won, nar nar narnar nar". But it's people like him, who are utterly incapable of criticising the current administration and think Bojo can do no wrong even as he jumps from one failure to the next, who will ultimately contribute the least to any success this idea could potentially have.

Nobody wants this to go badly, but there needs to be some answers, some sort of strategy and action, and soon. Instead, people are being told "we're sovereign now" and "just wait and see". Where is the plan?

 

[peteblue]

I realise this is a joke, but was #46 also a joke? You voted to leave, yes? But now you’re taking the pi55 out of those who also voted to leave? I’m confused.....

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This has made my day. I expect he also voted Tory to improve Labour.....

 

[tsubaki]

The USE superstate argument used by Brexiteers as an excuse for leaving is nonsense. There is too much that separates the member states culturally and ideologically for that ever to happen. What the sizeable anti-EU element in England don't and never will get is that despite this, member states want to maximise cooperation between them as far as possible so as to mutually benefit from it. Its about breaking down barriers, not putting them up.

It's such a shame one country has decided to block itself off from the rest of us, despite knowing that it will be economically disadvantaged and will lead to it's own breakup, but we will just have to get on with it.

Sauvrinty or something.

In terms of a state like the US, possibly - however I don't think a state with common legal standards, common defence, common foreign policy and at least harmonized tax / social standards would be out of reach, at all.