Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Diane Abbot stated that the European police database not exactly sure what it’s called was used 600 million times in 2019 , and it’s a disgrace that we won’t be able to use it anymore , assuming the maths is correct that is a huge hole in intelligence gathering.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-britain-will-be-less-secure-without-access-to-shared-data-12172399

Sounds like someone is wasting a lot of manpower playing on computers.....

 

[roydo]

Its directly linked into the PNC here, so basically when a cop does a PNC check or updates it then they automatically check or update that database too.

Seems a bit daft to lose that to me.

Unless I was a baddun that is. But hey ho. What can you do.

 

[roydo]

Sounds like someone is wasting a lot of manpower playing on computers.....

Not sure if serious.

But computer fraud/grooming/dark web nonce stuff/sommet else is pretty important stuff.

Like I said, I have not a clue if plod lose access to all that sort of pan continental cooperation. But if so, that not great.

 

[Ruairi77]

Yes. I voted to leave because I couldn't see any other way in which the EU could be properly and genuinely reformed, so that it becomes the effective nation state that is required so that it can properly protect all its citizens (including us, eventually). I think its current form (where you have people, goods and capital free to move but without laws, social security, healthcare etc being similarly universal) is responsible for a whole load of problems - criminal, social, economic, political, diplomatic and as we've now found disease prevention - and without serious reform (which can only come from popular consent) things will only get worse.

The EU has had loads of opportunities to come to its senses, and has missed them all up to this point. The past four years should have shown them what the possibilities are if they can get this right, that the US is not pre-ordained to be the #1 in the world.

I thought that (and I still hope that) once we are out that they will have a better chance to sort it out and no longer will they only propose things we won't automatically veto. I hope that if they do fix it, that we will join eventually - I think we'll all be far better off. I also think what the government (and the leave side generally) have done these past four years is an abomination.

I didn't vote leave to change the colour of my passport, or to keep fish that are nearby.

you voted leave because you figured the EU had a better chance of survival without the UK?
If given a vote tomorrow, would you still vote to leave?

 

[peteblue]

UK plod access it 1.5 million times a week apparently. Or a day, cant remember.

Never even heard of it till last week.

That means every single Police officer in the U.K. accesses it 10 times a day or a week...no wonder there’s none available when you want one.....

 

[peteblue]

Not sure if serious.

But computer fraud/grooming/dark web nonce stuff/sommet else is pretty important stuff.

Like I said, I have not a clue if plod lose access to all that sort of pan continental cooperation. But if so, that not great.

It is, but do the maths.....

 

[tsubaki]

Seems a bit daft to lose that to me.

Unless I was a baddun that is. But hey ho. What can you do.

For people who go missing especially - all of the people reported missing to police in the UK since 2015 (at least, it may go back earlier) are on the PNC, which meant that they were on SISII, which meant that if they hit a border / had an interaction with cops abroad they'd flag up.

 

[tsubaki]

you voted leave because you figured the EU had a better chance of survival without the UK?
If given a vote tomorrow, would you still vote to leave?

Not exactly - a better chance of becoming a state, which would have been really unlikely with us in as of 2016 and almost impossible now.

If we are playing fantasy politics then I'd vote to leave but on SM/CU terms, with Johnson and his mob also being voted into the sea.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not sure if serious.

But computer fraud/grooming/dark web nonce stuff/sommet else is pretty important stuff.

Like I said, I have not a clue if plod lose access to all that sort of pan continental cooperation. But if so, that not great.

As are European arrest warrants which also went in the bin.

So much winning.

 

[Ruairi77]

Not exactly - a better chance of becoming a state, which would have been really unlikely with us in as of 2016 and almost impossible now.

If we are playing fantasy politics then I'd vote to leave but on SM/CU terms, with Johnson and his mob also being voted into the sea.

on the first point, in my opinion, the EU would brake up long before it became a single state, UK or no.
On the second, that really is fantasy politics as leaving with access to the SM/CU was never on the table.

 

[peteblue]

you voted leave because you figured the EU had a better chance of survival without the UK?
If given a vote tomorrow, would you still vote to leave?

I’d say you couldn’t make this up, but evidently I’d be wrong......

 

[tsubaki]

I’d say you couldn’t make this up, but evidently I’d be wrong......

well it wouldnt be the first time - you've been calling me a remainer for the best part of 2000 pages

 

[Ruairi77]

I’d say you couldn’t make this up, but evidently I’d be wrong......

couldn't make what up.
I asked a couple of questions, one completely hypothetical. Both based on the idea that I thought he voted remain so I'm curious as to his reasoning.
I'm not sure what's baffling you pete

edit, on re-reading I figure you're on about tsubaki's stance.

 

[tsubaki]

on the first point, in my opinion, the EU would brake up long before it became a single state, UK or no.
On the second, that really is fantasy politics as leaving with access to the SM/CU was never on the table.

I really don't think it would, and SM/CU access was offered provided we accepted the rest of what went with it (freedom of movement etc).

 

[peteblue]

couldn't make what up.
I asked a couple of questions, one completely hypothetical. Both based on the idea that I thought he voted remain so I'm curious as to his reasoning.
I'm not sure what's baffling you pete

edit, on re-reading I figure you're on about tsubaki's stance.

Correct.....I thought your questions were excellent btw.....