Christ, I hate what we’ve become
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That was one stupid move by johnson, and you know my views on brexit.
Unfortunately instead of just sitting down and getting a trade deal that benefits both parties, both sides have backed themselves into a corner with there so called red lines.
Fishing they should have had a gradual deal on quotas, it's only fair if people have invested in boats and buying fish quotas they shouldn't have the rugged pulled from under them, but like ever other coastal country we have the right to control are waters, this doesn't have to be all or nothing situation , surly an acceptable solution isnt that hard to find.
On level playing field , goods into and out of the EU , fine no problem with that ,but outside of that no country should or would accept an outside entity controlling its laws, pretty much make Brexit not worth the bother may as well stay in and make the rules from that end, think the EU have over reached themselves with that one.
Unfortunately the time has been wasted on both sides us by having May in there half hearted from the start, everything she has done since tells you she had the soundbites but not the will to do what she was saying, and the EU leaving Barnier in charge and allowing Macaron to put his oar in , with last minute demands that are just a play on his part in an election year.
It's unfortunate that both sides of the table have been shown as not really up to the job.
Looks like it's no deal as it stands.
Oh my god .... you really are disgusting
Blame your beloved tories.... they’ve had the means to stop what you refer to as mass uncontrolled immigration for years... they’ve just chosen not to.
arminisgod
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Yes I didn't have a vote on that.
Im sorry if people are offended and I know Bruce is married to an EU citizen but that is the harsh reality.
arminisgod
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Its starting to get boring now... I have never voted Tory in my life.
Christ
If you’re allowed to ignore the facts then so am I
Have they acted legally...yes
Have they been consistent in their requests...yes, until they need greater assurance and ability to enforce
Fishing is most definitely not the major obstacle in negotiations.
dead_soft
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It's not about 'being offended' or anything you can so easily dismiss - it's about your grim view of human life and who is deserving and undeserving. It's only a harsh reality because people like you make it so
arminisgod
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I haven't made any rules on voting in the uk. I haven't shown any grim views on human life what so ever.
Haydn
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Isn't the Symbolic bit the root cause of the problem though and that this is what has motivated people to be so passionate about a debate that should be entirely rational ? The UK argument starts from this perspective rather than from a pragmatic assessment of commercial reality, based on what is best for jobs, people, economy and the rest. Union Jack, Haddock and Rule Britannia trumps everything. UK ministers state that we can't be tied to EU rules on matters such as employment law, that we must have "sovereignty" followed by real statements such as "the UK believes in flexible labour markets", do we really ? Zero hours is what we really want ? It's the only interpretation I can make of the statements because Johnson and Co aren't embarking on this exercise to improve employment laws. The whole Brexit argument is underpinned by nationalistic symbolism but the actual objectives appear much darker.
Barnfred 55
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Good luck with that one mate. Without reading the next few posts I'm taking a punt you may regret this one. Heads and parapets
Why did you vote no? I'm curious to hear what your issues are with mass uncontrolled immigration.
dead_soft
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You seem to fell there's a line between those who deserve to live near you and those who don't based on where they are coming from and what skills you think are worthwhile. IT's not a great view
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