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peteblue said:
It’ll never happen though, surely......


www.politico.eu

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO

Trump, still furious after weekend in Paris, blasts French president and EU on Twitter.
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Pete, honestly what is your obsession with an EU army? It will be exactly like NATO if it ever happens. Do you think if the UK really doesn't like where they want them to go and fight, they will just shrug and say oh well and send them regardless?

Of all the ludicrous things to make a deal of this is right at the top.
 
Zezti said:
That's two years old?

Anyway, its not foreign countries you need to worry about without the power of the EU, its the mega corporations.
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I know, but it will happen. I’m not particularly bothered about any foreign countries and I’m certainly not worried about mega corporations. We will put whatever laws we need in place when we want them...
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Project Fear this Pete.
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Only if you believe an EU army is a bad thing, do you believe it is ?.....
 
The binman chronicles said:
Pete, honestly what is your obsession with an EU army? It will be exactly like NATO if it ever happens. Do you think if the UK really doesn't like where they want them to go and fight, they will just shrug and say oh well and send them regardless?

Of all the ludicrous things to make a deal of this is right at the top.
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It’s yet another step towards a United States of Europe. It will not be exactly like NATO, and if it was then why build another smaller NATO ? What is the benefit ? Are there not enough armies in the EU as it is, why does Brussels need one of its own ?....
 
peteblue said:
I know, but it will happen. I’m not particularly bothered about any foreign countries and I’m certainly not worried about mega corporations. We will put whatever laws we need in place when we want them...


Only if you believe an EU army is a bad thing, do you believe it is ?.....
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Ah, you think its that simple...
Mega corps like Apple, Microsoft don't give a damn about the laws of a single country, unless that country is the size of China. When South Korea tried to fine Microsoft $31m for anti-competitive behaviour, Microsoft threated to halt the sale of Windows in the country. They only conceded when the EU later slapped a $800m fine on them and they learned a lesson and had to unbundle the software that was cause of it all.

But go on and keep thinking that simply having a British law means a perfect world.
 
peteblue said:
It’s yet another step towards a United States of Europe. It will not be exactly like NATO, and if it was then why build another smaller NATO ? What is the benefit ? Are there not enough armies in the EU as it is, why does Brussels need one of its own ?....
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I would imagine because NATO is America and then the junior partners. This way each country would get more say and not be at the ransom of someone like Trump at the helm.
 
peteblue said:
I have no idea what type of business you have, however the decision to leave, and therefore prepare, was taken four and a half years ago.
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Prepare for what, Pete? The Government are telling British businesses they need to prepare for a deal we know nothing about OR no deal at all – in the middle of a pandemic.

There is only one thing that is certain when the transition period ends: chaos. And how can anyone fully prepare for chaos when we don’t know which version of chaos to prepare for?

The Government guidance is deliberately disingenuous. The changes we've made inline with the guidance will also likely cripple us. It is just another way for this abhorrent Tory government to shift blame for their own incompetence and complete lack of preparation or planning on to British businesses.

As for saying we’ve had four and half years to prepare, sorry but what a load a sh*te mate. Four and a half years ago we were told we weren’t leaving the single market. Four and a half years ago Brexit was the easiest deal in human history and there was no downside only a considerable upside. Four and a half years ago we were told a trade deal would be ready to sign on day one, in an afternoon over a cup of tea, and yet here we 44 days away with no deal in place and businesses do not have the necessary information or clarity required to fully prepare.

If you want to continue on that point, then the Government has also had four and half years to prepare themselves. Yet they still haven’t got the lorry parks, customs officers, IT systems etc. anywhere near ready. They’re issuing passes to enter Kent, the Army are in reserve and they’ve employed scores of expensive crisis busters to keep food and medicine flowing.

The Government has also told schools to prepare for a lack of fresh food and to stockpile long-life food. When are they going to tell the rest of us to prepare for fresh food shortages? And how, exactly do we that?

Come on Pete, seriously! Would any of this be needed if Brexit were a good idea? Brexit and the whole process over the last four and a half years ago has been a complete and utter shambles and the longest self imposed economic suicide in history.

The rest of your reply contains a number of inaccuracies and a total lack of knowledge of how trade works and the real impact of Brexit on British businesses that I really don’t have the energy to reply to.
 
Ron1878 said:
Prepare for what, Pete? The Government are telling British businesses they need to prepare for a deal we know nothing about OR no deal at all – in the middle of a pandemic.

There is only one thing that is certain when the transition period ends: chaos. And how can anyone fully prepare for chaos when we don’t know which version of chaos to prepare for?

The Government guidance is deliberately disingenuous. The changes we've made inline with the guidance will also likely cripple us. It is just another way for this abhorrent Tory government to shift blame for their own incompetence and complete lack of preparation or planning on to British businesses.

As for saying we’ve had four and half years to prepare, sorry but what a load a sh*te mate. Four and a half years ago we were told we weren’t leaving the single market. Four and a half years ago Brexit was the easiest deal in human history and there was no downside only a considerable upside. Four and a half years ago we were told a trade deal would be ready to sign on day one, in an afternoon over a cup of tea, and yet here we 44 days away with no deal in place and businesses do not have the necessary information or clarity required to fully prepare.

If you want to continue on that point, then the Government has also had four and half years to prepare themselves. Yet they still haven’t got the lorry parks, customs officers, IT systems etc. anywhere near ready. They’re issuing passes to enter Kent, the Army are in reserve and they’ve employed scores of expensive crisis busters to keep food and medicine flowing.

The Government has also told schools to prepare for a lack of fresh food and to stockpile long-life food. When are they going to tell the rest of us to prepare for fresh food shortages? And how, exactly do we that?

Come on Pete, seriously! Would any of this be needed if Brexit were a good idea? Brexit and the whole process over the last four and a half years ago has been a complete and utter shambles and the longest self imposed economic suicide in history.

The rest of your reply contains a number of inaccuracies and a total lack of knowledge of how trade works and the real impact of Brexit on British businesses that I really don’t have the energy to reply to.
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great post. hard to put the whole thing in to concise words but you've managed it.
 
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