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[roydo]

The medicine issue is also the most pressing in our household. My wife was diagnosed with leukaemia earlier this year and I have my own health issues. We are hugely concerned about the dangerously unnecessary issues that Brexit is going to bring us and most importantly her treatment.

Brexit just seems to be a bit of laugh to some people. Fish, blue passports, waffle about sovereignty / border control (both of which we already had) all driven by xenophobia, greed and a false sense of cantankerous British entitlement.

For me and my family (my wife is French) it is as far from a joke as you can get.

Ours lives are going to demonstrably damaged. And for what?

Blimey. If Mrs R misses scripts, mild discomfort is the worst that occurs. Thats grim for your wife if stuff goes to rat poo.

But apparently we are all Trumpist for being in the real world. Makes me sick.

 

[Ron1878]

As for behaving like mini Trumps, think that is your game; "The churches will be full at Easter". "The easiest trade deal in history"

I've collate the greatest hits. I genuinely don't know whether to whether to laugh or cry.

• "Easiest deal in human history"
• "They need us more than we need them"
• "We hold all the cards" "Exact same benefits"
• "Nobody is talking about leaving the single market"
• "Better trading relationship than before"
• "No border down the Irish sea"
• "No reduction in trading standards"
• "no chlorinated chicken"
• "Other countries will follow the UK to leave the EU"
• "frictionless trade"
• "On June 24th they will be knocking down the door demanding a trade deal"
• "No deal would be a failure of statecraft"
• "£350M a week for the NHS"
• "The Union will be stronger if we leave"
• "Not one job lost"
• "Frictionless trade"
• "No downside only considerable upside"
• "Trade deals ready to sign on day one"
• "Oven ready deal"
• "Trade deals sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea"
• "Turkey is going to join the EU"
• "no change to citizens’ rights"
• "Sunlit uplands"
• "The EU will fall apart without us"
• "The German car industry will be banging on our door"

How any one can still "believe" in Brexit now with all the evidence available is totally beyond me.

It now really is a case of sense vs insanity.

 

[roydo]

I've collate the greatest hits. I genuinely don't know whether to whether to laugh or cry.

• "Easiest deal in human history"
• "They need us more than we need them"
• "We hold all the cards" "Exact same benefits"
• "Nobody is talking about leaving the single market"
• "Better trading relationship than before"
• "No border down the Irish sea"
• "No reduction in trading standards"
• "no chlorinated chicken"
• "Other countries will follow the UK to leave the EU"
• "frictionless trade"
• "On June 24th they will be knocking down the door demanding a trade deal"
• "No deal would be a failure of statecraft"
• "£350M a week for the NHS"
• "The Union will be stronger if we leave"
• "Not one job lost"
• "Frictionless trade"
• "No downside only considerable upside"
• "Trade deals ready to sign on day one"
• "Oven ready deal"
• "Trade deals sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea"
• "Turkey is going to join the EU"
• "no change to citizens’ rights"
• "Sunlit uplands"
• "The EU will fall apart without us"
• "The German car industry will be banging on our door"

How any one can still "believe" in Brexit now with all the evidence available is totally beyond me.

It now really is a case of sense vs insanity.

And its the fault of those that voted to remain, apparently. Cos we dont post nice stuff on the internet and get behind the country.

 

[Ron1878]

Yet here you all are, yet again, with the doom and gloom even though we actually left at the beginning of the year. I‘m sure you all mean well, but ffs guys is there ever going to be a day when you give this up and actually get behind your own country.

Unsurprisingly mate it's quite hard to get behind a pointless motion to drive the country off a cliff during a global pandemic.

My business also relies on imports. Our costs have already increased 15% even without COVID and the way things are shaping up it will likely cease come 1st January 2021.

Let me ask you, genuinely Pete, how is Brexit going to impact you personally? What do you stand to lose?

Is my business folding and the loss of 20+ jobs a price worth paying to get Brexit?

I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be playing the same tune if your health was reliant on the importation of critical medication from the EU, your business was reliant on frictionless trade and your immediate family living in the UK are from EU countries.

I'd love to hear about how it's going to enrich your life as it's bringing misery on mine.

If Brexit is going to be so marvellous for the country then it should be really easy for you to tell me some positive and genuine benefits, backed up with evidence and data. Even this Government and prominent Leavers haven't been able to give any that stand up to scrutiny.

 

[roydo]

Let me ask you, genuinely Pete, how is Brexit going to impact you personally? What do you stand to lose?

Obviously, absolutely nothing. But he can now not get EU laws, (which the UK agree to) imposed on him, and he can vote people out, (which he could in the EU) who he didnt like.

And sommet about a fictional EU army. Its pathetic.

 

[bluejim95]

Dear God guys. Some of you in here do nothing but moan about Trump not accepting the result of a vote in the USA. Yet here you all are, yet again, with the doom and gloom even though we actually left at the beginning of the year. I‘m sure you all mean well, but ffs guys is there ever going to be a day when you give this up and actually get behind your own country. Just to summarise, the U.K. voted to leave the EU, the U.K. left the EU in January, the U.K. is now just negotiating either an FTA or a WTO trading relationship. There are no other options. Moaning and behaving like mini Trumps is doing no one any good......

Its quite a world apart though, FTA to WTO. In essence, we haven't left the EU until January as that's when the real impact starts.

Don't worry, it won't be long now until the remoaners are drowned out by the chorus of "this isnt the brexit i voted for" when it actually starts to impact the people on the street.

 

[Ron1878]

Obviously, absolutely nothing. But he can now not get EU laws, (which the UK agree to) imposed on him, and he can vote people out, (which he could in the EU) who he didnt like.

And sommet about a fictional EU army. Its pathetic.

The UK didn't just agree to them, the UK sat at the top table as a major player (with veto and powers many other nations didn't) actually making the laws.

However on Brexit day in January we will actually be following EU rules with no say, the exact opposite of what Brexit voters wanted.

 

[roydo]

The UK didn't just agree to them, the UK sat at the top table as a major player (with veto and powers many other nations didn't) actually making the laws.

However on Brexit day in January we will actually be following EU rules with no say, the exact opposite of what Brexit voters wanted.

Yeah. I know.

Trouble is, "they" dont, and didnt, get that simple fact.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Dear God guys. Some of you in here do nothing but moan about Trump not accepting the result of a vote in the USA. Yet here you all are, yet again, with the doom and gloom even though we actually left at the beginning of the year. I‘m sure you all mean well, but ffs guys is there ever going to be a day when you give this up and actually get behind your own country. Just to summarise, the U.K. voted to leave the EU, the U.K. left the EU in January, the U.K. is now just negotiating either an FTA or a WTO trading relationship. There are no other options. Moaning and behaving like mini Trumps is doing no one any good......

2/10. Must do better.

 

[summerisle]

Dear God guys. Some of you in here do nothing but moan about Trump not accepting the result of a vote in the USA. Yet here you all are, yet again, with the doom and gloom even though we actually left at the beginning of the year. I‘m sure you all mean well, but ffs guys is there ever going to be a day when you give this up and actually get behind your own country. Just to summarise, the U.K. voted to leave the EU, the U.K. left the EU in January, the U.K. is now just negotiating either an FTA or a WTO trading relationship. There are no other options. Moaning and behaving like mini Trumps is doing no one any good......

Stop moaning, you 'won'.

 

[peteblue]

Its quite a world apart though, FTA to WTO. In essence, we haven't left the EU until January as that's when the real impact starts.

Don't worry, it won't be long now until the remoaners are drowned out by the chorus of "this isnt the brexit i voted for" when it actually starts to impact the people on the street.

We are no longer in the EU, we left. This is a transition period for trade both for the EU and the U.K....

 

[Blues Harp]

Only 45 days left for an "oven ready" deal then
Tick tock.

 

[bluejim95]

We are no longer in the EU, we left. This is a transition period for trade both for the EU and the U.K....

Which means we are still currently in the single market. Come January, we won't be... and the prices will rise. So in essence, we havent left yet. Not difficult really is it.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

1. What he doesn't say is that probably 99.9% of musicians perform only in the UK; and

2. A carnet has been a requirement for decades for travelling to other countries who are signed up to the CITES agreement, if any part of your instrument(s) contain material covered by CITES. The most common item covered is wood, and the CITES agreement is to protect endangered species. For example, a UK musician with a tour of the USA with a Gibson guitar (body of mahogany and a maple top, with a rosewood fingerboard), would need a carnet to show the instrument was made according to the law in the USA and legally shipped to the UK for sale, and the taking of the instrument back to the USA was for legitimate sanctioned employment within that country and complied with the provisions of CITES. I believe I've explained that correctly.

I think the first point you make is massively missing the point mate. I know many UK born musicians who regularly work overseas, just think of all those employed in summer seasons in hotels right across mainland Europe, and on cruise ships etc. That's before we consider orchestra level professionals who travel all over the world (and have multiple instruments).

Also what about all the young working class musicians in bands wanting to get a support gig on tour with an established artist? That's how I got my start back in the 90s. You're already massively out of pocket on a support tour, and as I'm sure you'll know, most guitarists will take 2/3 instruments with them. That's almost another 1k to pay.

As an addendum, I've been reading this thread for some years now, and all I've seen are negative aspects of Brexit. I'm yet to see one tangible or immediate improvement for the average person. We even had a Benefits of Brexit thread at one stage where nobody was able to provide any.

 

[peteblue]

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Unsurprisingly mate it's quite hard to get behind a pointless motion to drive the country off a cliff during a global pandemic.

My business also relies on imports. Our costs have already increased 15% even without COVID and the way things are shaping up it will likely cease come 1st January 2021.

Let me ask you, genuinely Pete, how is Brexit going to impact you personally? What do you stand to lose?

Is my business folding and the loss of 20+ jobs a price worth paying to get Brexit?

I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be playing the same tune if your health was reliant on the importation of critical medication from the EU, your business was reliant on frictionless trade and your immediate family living in the UK are from EU countries.

I'd love to hear about how it's going to enrich your life as it's bringing misery on mine.

If Brexit is going to be so marvellous for the country then it should be really easy for you to tell me some positive and genuine benefits, backed up with evidence and data. Even this Government and prominent Leavers haven't been able to give any that stand up to scrutiny.

I am sorry to hear about your difficulties and do appreciate how you could be affected. I have no idea what type of business you have, however the decision to leave, and therefore prepare, was taken four and a half years ago. You do not suggest that you export to the EU and your cost increases are apparently not Brexit related so you had to deal with them anyway. Discussions continue and I’m pretty sure that a deal will be sorted shortly to alleviate your import concerns.

Like the vast majority of people in the U.K. I am not particularly affected by leaving the EU, but then again I did not vote to leave for myself but for my children and granddaughter. A vote to do nothing and remain would have been a very easy decision, but I did not wish to see my family shackled into a political United States of Europe where the U.K. had little influence and the voter almost none.

Medication will not be affected as the country has both been stockpiling for any minor early day disruptions and the EU would get slaughtered Internationally and within its own borders if they attempted to cause an issue.

I agree that there may be more difficulty for those with family from Eu countries, I have a daughter in law from one such country, but I also have daughters in law from two different countries outside of the EU who are second class to Eu nationals when it comes to entering the country, and quite honestly I would like to see that redressed.

The EU as a trading base is declining, our trade with them is in deficit, our trade with the RoW is growing and is in surplus. The RoW is growing at a far faster rate than the sclerotic EU, and we are now free to do FTA’s where and as we want and not dance to the tune of 27 other diverse countries. Also let’s be honest here, if the Eu cannot do a deal with a country who has been a member for nearly 50 years and has every law, process and standards lined up, then who can it do a deal with. Look at what the 15 countries within Asean have just done, encompassing about 30% of the world trade and population.

The EU, as it turns into a large political union, will demand that all its countries use the Euro (we would not have escaped forever) which favours certain countries but not all. As we have seen, we would have exposed the U.K. to prop up other EU countries as well as having to deal with our own issues regarding financing of the Pandemic. I have said many times in here that I wanted the common market, which I voted for, but I do not want a political union for which until our referendum I had never had a vote. The EU is a protectionist bloc and will diminish every year as a result. There is a big world out there for our exporters, and just as importantly there is a big world out there for our importers.....