Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Prepare for what, Pete? The Government are telling British businesses they need to prepare for a deal we know nothing about OR no deal at all – in the middle of a pandemic.

There is only one thing that is certain when the transition period ends: chaos. And how can anyone fully prepare for chaos when we don’t know which version of chaos to prepare for?

The Government guidance is deliberately disingenuous. The changes we've made inline with the guidance will also likely cripple us. It is just another way for this abhorrent Tory government to shift blame for their own incompetence and complete lack of preparation or planning on to British businesses.

As for saying we’ve had four and half years to prepare, sorry but what a load a sh*te mate. Four and a half years ago we were told we weren’t leaving the single market. Four and a half years ago Brexit was the easiest deal in human history and there was no downside only a considerable upside. Four and a half years ago we were told a trade deal would be ready to sign on day one, in an afternoon over a cup of tea, and yet here we 44 days away with no deal in place and businesses do not have the necessary information or clarity required to fully prepare.

If you want to continue on that point, then the Government has also had four and half years to prepare themselves. Yet they still haven’t got the lorry parks, customs officers, IT systems etc. anywhere near ready. They’re issuing passes to enter Kent, the Army are in reserve and they’ve employed scores of expensive crisis busters to keep food and medicine flowing.

The Government has also told schools to prepare for a lack of fresh food and to stockpile long-life food. When are they going to tell the rest of us to prepare for fresh food shortages? And how, exactly do we that?

Come on Pete, seriously! Would any of this be needed if Brexit were a good idea? Brexit and the whole process over the last four and a half years ago has been a complete and utter shambles and the longest self imposed economic suicide in history.

The rest of your reply contains a number of inaccuracies and a total lack of knowledge of how trade works and the real impact of Brexit on British businesses that I really don’t have the energy to reply to.

I still have no idea of the type of your business, and the effects of Brexit are different for every single sector. Obviously I will not know as much as you about your particular business and the effects upon it. But I still reckon that four and a half years is more than enough to sort it out. Really, what have you been doing during this time. We are not talking about thousands of employees nor a myriad of products and locations. I’m not having a go, but seriously with 20 employees, how much time do you need. You can have a go at me, as you have, at what I may not understand, because it’s your business, but even though I am not a betting man I’m pretty sure that with the luxury of over four years I would have this sorted. P.S. being retired now, I am more than happy to discuss this with you or at least challenge your thinking, free of charge, via a pm......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

That fella is an idiot , he metioned Lurpak and its owners Aria as a example of a somebody who would move the production to the UK , should have looked into it a bit more they are a farmers collective and you cannot legally produce the Lurpak brand outside of Denmark.
He had an open goal as they are infact making a massive investment into there plant in Settle think it is, next year(although they say brexit or not they would have done it) and are moving the production of lactose free dairy products to the UK as a direct result of Brexit, which suited his line of arqument a lot better, a minister should be well aware of that before going on national tv.

Still trying to play to the crowd, rather than know the brief , thus no research before they make such ridiculous comments. Why there will be a rude awakening for those who just take them at their word.

Never before has the lying when their lips move analogy been more appropriate than with this Johnson government

 

[Prevenger17]

I still have no idea of the type of your business, and the effects of Brexit are different for every single sector. Obviously I will not know as much as you about your particular business and the effects upon it. But I still reckon that four and a half years is more than enough to sort it out. Really, what have you been doing during this time. We are not talking about thousands of employees nor a myriad of products and locations. I’m not having a go, but seriously with 20 employees, how much time do you need. You can have a go at me, as you have, at what I may not understand, because it’s your business, but even though I am not a betting man I’m pretty sure that with the luxury of over four years I would have this sorted. P.S. being retired now, I am more than happy to discuss this with you or at least challenge your thinking, free of charge, via a pm......

Defo, because Brexit has been such a smooth seamless process with definitive outcomes that have been clarified for everyone.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I still have no idea of the type of your business, and the effects of Brexit are different for every single sector. Obviously I will not know as much as you about your particular business and the effects upon it. But I still reckon that four and a half years is more than enough to sort it out. Really, what have you been doing during this time. We are not talking about thousands of employees nor a myriad of products and locations. I’m not having a go, but seriously with 20 employees, how much time do you need. You can have a go at me, as you have, at what I may not understand, because it’s your business, but even though I am not a betting man I’m pretty sure that with the luxury of over four years I would have this sorted. P.S. being retired now, I am more than happy to discuss this with you or at least challenge your thinking, free of charge, via a pm......

Prepare for a evacuation... What things do you take?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Chalking up heavy defeats in the Lords, now one of the biggest in history

I guess drawing chalk lines on Devolution while it's raining the day before that aspect of the bill was being voted on wasn't a spivingly good plan.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Chalking up heavy defeats in the Lords, now one of the biggest in history

I guess drawing chalk lines on Devolution while it's raining the day before that aspect of the bill was being voted on wasn't a spivingly good plan.

Surely the only plan(s) at this stage are:

If no deal blame the pandemic and unforseen circumstances and time wasted blocking things by remainers. Just plays on division and the obvious interruption. It risks people lumping Brexit in alongside mismanagement of Covid.

Get a deal. It will mean massive UK U-turn in a lot of areas, but ultimately it's the easiest strategy. Pretend you're playing hard ball to the domestic audience, then do a last minute climb down pretending you've secured victory and claim it as a win. It worked with the WA and it will work with the future relationship. Johnson knows there are enough sycophants who will amplify the message and, let's be perfectly honest, most Brexit voters have no comprehension/don't care about the details of the deal. It limits the damaging effect significantly, Johnson heralds himself as 'getting Brexit done'.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Surely the only plan(s) at this stage are:

If no deal blame the pandemic and unforseen circumstances and time wasted blocking things by remainers. Just plays on division and the obvious interruption. It risks people lumping Brexit in alongside mismanagement of Covid.

Get a deal. It will mean massive UK U-turn in a lot of areas, but ultimately it's the easiest strategy. Pretend you're playing hard ball to the domestic audience, then do a last minute climb down pretending you've secured victory and claim it as a win. It worked with the WA and it will work with the future relationship. Johnson knows there are enough sycophants who will amplify the message and, let's be perfectly honest, most Brexit voters have no comprehension/don't care about the details of the deal. It limits the damaging effect significantly, Johnson heralds himself as 'getting Brexit done'.

Dose of reality, maybe its what needed.

Nissan warns on its UK future without a Brexit deal

The carmaker, which runs Britain's biggest car plant, said the factory 'will not be sustainable'.

www.bbc.co.uk

Those jobs will be replaced with the Gig economy, which for me was always Brexit real thrust, tearing up of employment rights and benefits, to zero hour.

 

[sbbefc]

Surely the only plan(s) at this stage are:

If no deal blame the pandemic and unforseen circumstances and time wasted blocking things by remainers. Just plays on division and the obvious interruption. It risks people lumping Brexit in alongside mismanagement of Covid.

Get a deal. It will mean massive UK U-turn in a lot of areas, but ultimately it's the easiest strategy. Pretend you're playing hard ball to the domestic audience, then do a last minute climb down pretending you've secured victory and claim it as a win. It worked with the WA and it will work with the future relationship. Johnson knows there are enough sycophants who will amplify the message and, let's be perfectly honest, most Brexit voters have no comprehension/don't care about the details of the deal. It limits the damaging effect significantly, Johnson heralds himself as 'getting Brexit done'.

I hope its the second option but these people are hell bent on ruining the country. And if it is the second option it begs the question, what is the point?

 

[Jebus_lives]

I hope its the second option but these people are hell bent on ruining the country. And if it is the second option it begs the question, what is the point?

There isn't one really. I don't think any of them really expected it to happen. They can still ruin the country - deal or no.

 

[The binman chronicles]

A sign of things to come?

Port troubles leave UK bookseller with no books

Congestion at Felixstowe Port in Suffolk is proving a major headache for importers before Christmas.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[tsubaki]

He is your standard left wing Labourite....

”George Monbiot grew up in Henley-on-Thames in South Oxfordshire, England, in a house next to Peppard Common.[5] Politics was at the heart of family life – his father, Raymond Geoffrey Monbiot, CBE,[6] is a businessman who headed the Conservative Party's trade and industry forum,[4] while his mother, Rosalie – the elder daughter of Conservative MP Roger Gresham Cooke[7] – was a Conservative councillor who led South Oxfordshire District Council for a decade.[8] His uncle, Canon Hereward Cooke, was the Liberal Democrat deputy leader of Norwich City Council between 2002 and 2006.[9]

Monbiot was educated at a preparatory boarding school between 1971 and 1976. He did not enjoy his time there, later believing that boarding school destroys one's imagination. He was then educated at Stowe School, a public school in Stowe, Buckinghamshire.[10][11] He won an open scholarship to Brasenose College, Oxford.[12] He stated that his "political awakening" was prompted by reading Bettina Ehrlich's book, Paolo and Panetto, while at his prep school,[13][14] and that he regretted attending Oxford, stating that his time there was unhappy and he did not fit in with Brasenose's culture.[15]”

You really couldn’t make this crap up......

lol

Monbiot makes sense on a lot of occasions

 

[Ron1878]

A sign of things to come?

It's a certainty. The point of the Brexit Transition period was to allow time for business to prepare for what the new trade deal would require. We are 41 days from a hard exit and we still do not even know if we’ll have a deal, never mind what it will entail. According to the original 'Brexiter timeline', we should have had all this wrapped up ages ago, with trade deals ready to sign the second we leave. Remember all that crap about easiest deal in history?

The government seems to think that much like with the pandemic restrictions, it can announce things at five minutes to midnight the day before and everything will be fine. We’re in the middle of a pandemic lockdown, negotiations are on hold, businesses are completely unprepared, most people are struggling with basic day to day living, and yet the government presses on with this catastrophic sh1t show.

All I can say is, we are completely fcuked. Brace for impact. Nothing short of a total abort at this point is going to save us.

 

[Ron1878]

the effects of Brexit are different for every single sector

Whatever sector you're in Brexit was sold as something that would make things *better*, Pete. Not demonstrably worse.

As members of the EU we had unfettered access to the largest trade block in the world with free trade deals with countries around the world.

Just-In-Time manufacturing, the kind that supports millions of jobs in the automotive, aerospace and other industries (including my own business) and a wide-open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with no customs or other checks between NI and the rest of the UK.

In a few weeks time, over half the UK's trade will go via an untested customs system (if it exists at all); reliant on non-existent or flooded facilitates; serving businesses that aren't expecting it; staffed by people with limited training using a second (or third) language.

Now, I'm not willing to go into the specifics of my business here but it doesn't take a crystal ball to see how this is going to have significant impact on thousands of small and medium sized businesses.

The real reason for the UK Government's worse than useless TV, poster and newspaper Brexit ad campaign is so that they can turn around to businesses and say "we told you to prepare, so none of this is our fault". Pure posterior-covering exercise. (The ads don't even mention Brexit!)

Why can people still not see it? When will the people who voted for this admit they were lied to and are being lied to?

Millions of people repeating a lie doesn't make it true. A lie repeated a million times doesn't become true.

Unfortunately for Brexit fans, reality cannot be changed by hope, denial, wishful thinking, prayer or patriotism. We'll see this proven in the context of Brexit on 1st January 2021.

 

[peteblue]

Surely the only plan(s) at this stage are:

If no deal blame the pandemic and unforseen circumstances and time wasted blocking things by remainers. Just plays on division and the obvious interruption. It risks people lumping Brexit in alongside mismanagement of Covid.

Get a deal. It will mean massive UK U-turn in a lot of areas, but ultimately it's the easiest strategy. Pretend you're playing hard ball to the domestic audience, then do a last minute climb down pretending you've secured victory and claim it as a win. It worked with the WA and it will work with the future relationship. Johnson knows there are enough sycophants who will amplify the message and, let's be perfectly honest, most Brexit voters have no comprehension/don't care about the details of the deal. It limits the damaging effect significantly, Johnson heralds himself as 'getting Brexit done'.

It must be wonderful being a Remainer and knowing everything...

 

[peteblue]

Whatever sector you're in Brexit was sold as something that would make things *better*, Pete. Not demonstrably worse.

As members of the EU we had unfettered access to the largest trade block in the world with free trade deals with countries around the world.

Just-In-Time manufacturing, the kind that supports millions of jobs in the automotive, aerospace and other industries (including my own business) and a wide-open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with no customs or other checks between NI and the rest of the UK.

In a few weeks time, over half the UK's trade will go via an untested customs system (if it exists at all); reliant on non-existent or flooded facilitates; serving businesses that aren't expecting it; staffed by people with limited training using a second (or third) language.

Now, I'm not willing to go into the specifics of my business here but it doesn't take a crystal ball to see how this is going to have significant impact on thousands of small and medium sized businesses.

The real reason for the UK Government's worse than useless TV, poster and newspaper Brexit ad campaign is so that they can turn around to businesses and say "we told you to prepare, so none of this is our fault". Pure posterior-covering exercise. (The ads don't even mention Brexit!)

Why can people still not see it? When will the people who voted for this admit they were lied to and are being lied to?

Millions of people repeating a lie doesn't make it true. A lie repeated a million times doesn't become true.

Unfortunately for Brexit fans, reality cannot be changed by hope, denial, wishful thinking, prayer or patriotism. We'll see this proven in the context of Brexit on 1st January 2021.

We shall indeed see what happens on 1st January.....