Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Not to mention the fact that politically and militarily the U.K. is its only true ally....
The USA and UK are not like north Korea and the whims of the dear leaders dont override the interests of the country
The biggest thing they have on common is money talks in both countries, the people come as an afterthought.
I suspect that rule will come onto play with Brexit as well.
 
If it turns out to be a bag of [Poor language removed] then the country can vote to rejoin. No doubt the EU would yet again extract an enormous price from us, but they would take us back. Why anyone would want to be part of something that treats such a close ally and friend like a piece of crap is for them to judge.....
This is completely true, although we'd join far poorer after years in the economic wilderness and with a deal which is immeasurably worse than our current one. I think it's an incredibly viable position to heavily critique the EU's push for further political and monetary convergence whilst acknowledging our own power with vetos and the realisation that if you want to be a Global Britain, it's simply imperative to be part of a trading bloc in a globalised world which will only become increasingly interconnected. Opting to 'stand alone' at this point would simply result in us offering to take a step down from the top table, and relinquish the soft power accumulated in the world of diplomacy since the post-war consensus era.

When it comes to the critique of their negotiating, would you concede that maybe having such attack dogs on our side when negotiating trade deals may be a huge positive, allowing the EU to obtain massively favourable terms with other nations around the globe in comparison to what David Frost may be able to achieve?

I think we can all agree that the country has punched above its weight and that the country's "wealth is for the benefit of the few while many of the UK live in abject poverty". But the criticism should lie firmly at the door of Westminster here rather than Brussels, for it is neoliberal establishment politics which has left us with such an unequal society whilst free trade (through EU membership) with our neighbours has undoubtedly enriched us.
 
I really don’t like being bullied, by anyone. Personally I hope we now just walk away. If the USA or the EU do not want a trade deal and treat us as an Independent and Sovereign country, perhaps China would consider something advantageous on a number of levels...that might put the cat amongst the pigeons.....


FWIW, I think the UK will get a better deal from Biden.
 
I really don’t like being bullied, by anyone. Personally I hope we now just walk away. If the USA or the EU do not want a trade deal and treat us as an Independent and Sovereign country, perhaps China would consider something advantageous on a number of levels...that might put the cat amongst the pigeons.....

Pete we walked away from the Belt and Road iniative in 2018. It was one of the few good decisions the May government made.
 
This is completely true, although we'd join far poorer after years in the economic wilderness and with a deal which is immeasurably worse than our current one. I think it's an incredibly viable position to heavily critique the EU's push for further political and monetary convergence whilst acknowledging our own power with vetos and the realisation that if you want to be a Global Britain, it's simply imperative to be part of a trading bloc in a globalised world which will only become increasingly interconnected. Opting to 'stand alone' at this point would simply result in us offering to take a step down from the top table, and relinquish the soft power accumulated in the world of diplomacy since the post-war consensus era.

When it comes to the critique of their negotiating, would you concede that maybe having such attack dogs on our side when negotiating trade deals may be a huge positive, allowing the EU to obtain massively favourable terms with other nations around the globe in comparison to what David Frost may be able to achieve?

I think we can all agree that the country has punched above its weight and that the country's "wealth is for the benefit of the few while many of the UK live in abject poverty". But the criticism should lie firmly at the door of Westminster here rather than Brussels, for it is neoliberal establishment politics which has left us with such an unequal society whilst free trade (through EU membership) with our neighbours has undoubtedly enriched us.

But if we don’t try we will never know, and if we succeed then other EU countries will also succeed by seeing what we have done that works.

Having EU attack dogs in negotiations is just another form of bullying I’m afraid. This is why FTA’s with the EU take an age and are designed to screw the other party. Again this is not what I want for our country. If we deal with an impoverished 3rd world country it has to benefit both parties and not extract favourable gain from the poorer party. They are the negotiations of yesteryear and countries will recognise other countries who are willing to trade on a fair and equitable basis.

Westminster has had a free ride for 50 years. Once fully gone from the EU there is no hiding place and the people will know who to punish.....
 
Pete we walked away from the Belt and Road iniative in 2018. It was one of the few good decisions the May government made.

We also signed up to the AIIB against the wishes of the USA and as a result Germany, France et al also then joined....it’s a big world.....
 
But if we don’t try we will never know, and if we succeed then other EU countries will also succeed by seeing what we have done that works.
I get this completely (from the point of sheer curiosity/masochism personally), but when every economic indicator is strongly hinting otherwise, at what point do we take a step back and reassess whether this is going to plan out as originally promised? Do we keep ploughing on into the ultimate abyss in order to prove that nobody can bully us, albeit to our own detriment?

Having EU attack dogs in negotiations is just another form of bullying I’m afraid. This is why FTA’s with the EU take an age and are designed to screw the other party. Again this is not what I want for our country. If we deal with an impoverished 3rd world country it has to benefit both parties and not extract favourable gain from the poorer party. They are the negotiations of yesteryear and countries will recognise other countries who are willing to trade on a fair and equitable basis.

Westminster has had a free ride for 50 years. Once fully gone from the EU there is no hiding place and the people will know who to punish.....
The proposed vision for the country is admirable, but a massively deregulated, tax-evading paradise (the visions proposed by those in the driving seat) will not bring the social justice you're looking for and the working people of this country deserve, and will no doubt result in a race to the bottom in living standards for the majority. Sure, Westminister will then be punished in subsequent elections, but it'll be us who'll bear the brunt of the economic fallout, whilst those in Westminster who will be sat pretty.
 
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We also signed up to the AIIB against the wishes of the USA and as a result Germany, France et al also then joined....it’s a big world.....

There's no serious argument Pete that a viable alternative to a US or EU FTA is to drop our drawers to the Chinese.
 
WW1 and WW2 spring to mind, never mind the yearly membership fees we pay, nor the British troops stationed in the Baltic states to protect against Russia. Now, what did the EU do when Argentina invaded the Falklands....

Thought you vote to leave cos you didnt want an EU army?
 
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