Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Farage is an idiot and is not the reason people voted for Brexit......

I wouldn't suggest he was the reason that you voted for it, but to suggest he wasn't a factor in many people doing so seems to fly in the face of their growing poll ratings since the vote. It was said many times, both on here and elsewhere that a leave vote would be used by some very nasty politicians to further their agenda, and that is very much happening.
 
I wouldn't suggest he was the reason that you voted for it, but to suggest he wasn't a factor in many people doing so seems to fly in the face of their growing poll ratings since the vote. It was said many times, both on here and elsewhere that a leave vote would be used by some very nasty politicians to further their agenda, and that is very much happening.

I could point to some very nasty politicians and an ex prime minister who agitated and continue to do so for remain. The problem is that, just like in this thread, politicians continue to fight a battle that was lost instead of now looking to the opportunities that our new position affords......
 
I could point to some very nasty politicians and an ex prime minister who agitated and continue to do so for remain. The problem is that, just like in this thread, politicians continue to fight a battle that was lost instead of now looking to the opportunities that our new position affords......

There's a slight difference though Pete. Blair (assuming that's who you meant) didn't use the EU to support his argument to invade Iraq. Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Orban et al are all saying Brexit is a great thing and supports our racist, protectionist ideas. I've no doubt that there are politicians who support remain and that are dubious characters, but I'm not sure any are using 'remain' as ammunition for their dubiousness.
 
If you garnered from yesterday that he was in total control you're in the minority.
He was under pressure yes - the way he dealt with it was brilliant - not like DC who dodged questions he answered them honestly that he cannot answer some of the Brexit questions prior to negotiations he did though denie that parliament will not have a final vote they can help with discussions that all!
They did not like it the Remoaners were basically told to shut up!
 
Having been prodded by Bruce to check up on Farage in the USA, I found this recent article by him in the Washington Post.........

It’s difficult to think of any issue in British politics outside of going to war that would normally impact the U.S. presidential election. But Brexit is it.

When I went as an observer to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, I was astonished by the reaction. Delegate after delegate wanted to shake hands to say congratulations on Britain reasserting our own national democracy. The Mississippi delegation even invited me to their state, to experience some traditional Southern hospitality, and indeed that’s how I ended up making a trip to Jackson, Miss., last month.

But the reaction was deeper than just amongst politicos. Ordinary people I spoke to in bars came up and talked to me about Brexit. Indeed, a group of U.S. naval veterans I shared a coffee with told me we should have done it years ago, that we British must have been mad to give away our sovereignty. I was surprised by how much they knew about the European Union. They particularly understood that E.U. membership meant open borders for Britain — which, in an age of increasing terrorist risk, they thought was plain crazy.

There is no question that Donald Trump’s campaign, under its new management, sees Brexit as a big opportunity. Trump even recently styled himself as “Mr. Brexit.”

But when the Trump team draw parallels between the situations in Britain and the United States — the detachment many voters feel — and compare their effort to our recent referendum success, they are absolutely right.

Brexit won because 2.5 million people who normally don’t vote or who have never voted in their lives turned out to vote on this occasion, meaning that a huge 17.4 million people in total ended up voting for Britain to leave the European Union.

It was the first victory against an international political elite who have led us into an endless series of foreign wars and seen politics effectively purchased by the big banks and the multinationals.

As the rich have got richer in our respective nations, the average family has found the going tough. In Britain, many have seen their living standards decline because of the over-supply of unskilled labor coming in from the E.U., pushing down wages and making the minimum wage the maximum wage for so many. There is no doubt that the No. 1 issue that got people motivated and excited to vote to leave the E.U. was the issue of Britain taking back control of her borders, just as two-thirds of Trump’s supporters see uncontrolled immigration to the United States as “a very big problem.”

Trump not only sees the opportunity, but will keep pushing the message.

I was pretty astonished on my trip to Jackson to be asked to take part in a Trump rally and genuinely surprised that he chose to introduce me and asked me to speak midway through his presentation. The week before, I had been told there would be a private fundraising dinner that Trump would attend. Only on arrival at Gov. Phil Bryant’s mansion did I hear there was to be a big Trump rally the next day.

The greatest parallel between the Brexit vote and to what may happen on Nov. 8 is that Brexit mobilized a large number of non-voters — indeed, some people who had never voted in their lives. That was what secured the victory. The people I met at the Trump rally mainly fell into the same category. And if the Trump campaign can turn out large numbers of these people, then all of the opinion pollsters and commentators could be proven wrong.

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, appears to be so upset by Brexit and enraged by my presence in Jackson that she decided to launch an all-out attack on me. She issued willfully inaccurate character assassinations in a speech in Nevada that week, falsely accusing me of all kinds of nonsense. I’ve heard all of this before; in fact, I really felt at home. Clinton’s entourage joined in, too, with former Clinton adviser Neera Tanden bizarrely accusing the party I have led of being funded by Russians. Complete baloney. This kind of slanderous, ill-informed mudslinging shows the extent to which they are panicking.

Brexit has now become a political football in the U.S. presidential election. On the one side is a belief in nation-state democracy and proper border controls. On the other is continued global corporatism and the complete failure of Clinton and President Obama to accept the result in Britain on June 23. The world is changing — they just can’t see it.

I feel genuinely honored that the Democratic establishment have chosen to make me a bogeyman, and I intend to come back sooner rather than later to answer the charges in person.

So often the Brexit campaign and the Trump campaign are painted as being narrow and insular and as being about cutting us all off from the outside world. These charges often come from the same segments of our political establishment, who sneer at those who want to see strong border controls in nation states. How ironic, then, that it’s Trump who goes to Mexico and is gracious and complimentary about the country and its president. That it is Trump who is touring America, going out there and meeting the people in large numbers.

I know the majority of the American commentariat think that Clinton can win this election from her campaign bunker, managing to avoid news conferences or going out and meeting the people. While as a foreign politician, I won’t formally endorse anybody, I will say this: The new Trump campaign looks disciplined and positive. And you may be in for the same kind of shock the British establishment experienced on June 23, our Independence Day.
 
Farage stated on LBC not a penny paid for that speech nothing from the tax payers either - not a great endorser of Trump either , but did say how he disliked Hillary Clinton as Pete stated he went over there to give an example of how the sleeping never voted ever before voter in the UK gave the UK a Brexit win, He was invited not by Trump, but another state in the USA!
Pete advocates what happened it in the above post!
 
Davies has even been corrected by No.10 now about yesterday.

He did well though didn't he
You mean this -
But a senior Downing Street official sought to distance Theresa May from the statement. “He is setting out his view that [single market membership] is improbable,” the spokeswoman told journalists, adding that the work on the negotiations was ongoing. “The prime minister recognises that people have differing views and … all of this has to be negotiated with European partners. The prime minister’s view is that we should be ambitious and go after the best deal we can. The secretary of state said we want the best deal for trades and services: that is what the prime minister is doing.”

However, asked again if Davis was expressing a government policy, she said: “He is setting out his opinion. A policy tends to be a direction of travel: saying something is probable or improbable is not policy.”

The spokeswoman also addressed reports that the government is planning to demand a system under which EU citizens coming to the UK must have a job offer. “I’d point you to what the prime minister has said,” she said, highlighting May’s view that the referendum result was a “clear message” that British people wanted to be able to control EU migration. “But there are various ways you can do that and it is something the government is looking at and will come forward with proposals.”

Look he has not got a crystal ball this Government has to negotiate Brexit out of the political EU - trying to control uncontrolled immigration from the EU - Davis was saying every option was open the remoaners just have to accept Brexit means brexit 17.5 million british people won that vote after a campaign where both sides told lies!
putting a post of a soundbite post like you did make him look incompetent far from it May put him there as he has the experience once nearly a PM he was asked one question - where there any plans by anyone in government before the referendrum if the NO vote won - his answer only Osborne put in with Carney emergency money controls nothing else Nothing absolutely Nothing.
He has worked all summer with Liam Fox and 80 civil servants trying to unravel the EU laws that have to be untangled for us to be a free nation!
Liam fox job is to set up trade deals all over the world outside the EU alongside the PM
davis will not be rushed he stated everything has to be in place before signing article 50!
IMO he did well its not a quick fix 40 years of European domination to undo!
 
Davis was a Europe minister.
Yes in his day would have made a goo PM he was a head , but unbelivable he was pro Europe at that time a certain anti Europe counter was pushed forwards a certain David Cameron the PR gerun- how ironic history turns inside outlol
Davis to me has a very hard job ahead of him as you say hopefully his European experience will help to get us the best deal for Brexit!
 
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