Current Affairs EU In or Out

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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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Interesting response from Robert Jenrick in the House of Commons, pointing out that free trade is on the 'retreat' and that 'global levels of trade and investment are on the decline'. Both Trump and Clinton have indicated that they will become more protectionist as are other countries. The UK are going to wait for 2 years to try and strike up trade deals as the world is becoming more protectionist.
 
Interesting response from Robert Jenrick in the House of Commons, pointing out that free trade is on the 'retreat' and that 'global levels of trade and investment are on the decline'. Both Trump and Clinton have indicated that they will become more protectionist as are other countries. The UK are going to wait for 2 years to try and strike up trade deals as the world is becoming more protectionist.

The sad thing is, for all May's utterances that Britain will be a bastion for free trade, it will take some time before the image that Brexit was a vote for just the opposite to be shed.
 
You would imagine so. As you know, I'm not as against TTIP as many of you fellas, but Britain was undoubtedly one of the biggest cheerleaders for it in Europe, and it's quite probably the lack of our weight that is causing it to hit the buffers. Logically therefore, you'd imagine any UK/US deal to be at least the equivalent of TTIP, if not more so.
As long as our NHS is safe from the USA vultures good news!
 
As long as our NHS is safe from the USA vultures good news!

This is a good example of why I think it's a nonsense. There's news out today about the NHS building a revamped website that will allow us to better triage ourselves and find the information we need.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37290126

Very good move and that, and it's going to cost £4bn. The thing is, there are private 'vultures' that have already got systems just like this. Indeed, I participated in a demo of one at the start of the summer just down the road from @The Esk that was part of a peer reviewed study into the technology (http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.02041). They basically tested their system against experienced doctors and nurses, and it was not only significantly faster (and therefore cheaper) but also more accurate than both.

It begs the question why on earth the NHS is reinventing the wheel when there are people who already have developed this kind of thing.
 
This is a good example of why I think it's a nonsense. There's news out today about the NHS building a revamped website that will allow us to better triage ourselves and find the information we need.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37290126

Very good move and that, and it's part of a £4bn revamp of the IT in the NHS. The thing is, there are private 'vultures' that have already got systems just like this. Indeed, I participated in a demo of one at the start of the summer just down the road from @The Esk that was part of a peer reviewed study into the technology (http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.02041). They basically tested their system against experienced doctors and nurses, and it was not only significantly faster (and therefore cheaper) but also more accurate than both.

It begs the question why on earth the NHS is reinventing the wheel when there are people who already have developed this kind of thing.
As long as the last revamp of NHS computers cots billions and was abandoned by Labour it's a big task to do!
 
This is a good example of why I think it's a nonsense. There's news out today about the NHS building a revamped website that will allow us to better triage ourselves and find the information we need.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37290126

Very good move and that, and it's going to cost £4bn. The thing is, there are private 'vultures' that have already got systems just like this. Indeed, I participated in a demo of one at the start of the summer just down the road from @The Esk that was part of a peer reviewed study into the technology (http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.02041). They basically tested their system against experienced doctors and nurses, and it was not only significantly faster (and therefore cheaper) but also more accurate than both.

It begs the question why on earth the NHS is reinventing the wheel when there are people who already have developed this kind of thing.

Govt & IT programmes - The one thing Govt should steer well clear from. This won't end well (Again).
 
This is a good example of why I think it's a nonsense. There's news out today about the NHS building a revamped website that will allow us to better triage ourselves and find the information we need.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37290126

Very good move and that, and it's going to cost £4bn. The thing is, there are private 'vultures' that have already got systems just like this. Indeed, I participated in a demo of one at the start of the summer just down the road from @The Esk that was part of a peer reviewed study into the technology (http://arxiv.org/abs/1606.02041). They basically tested their system against experienced doctors and nurses, and it was not only significantly faster (and therefore cheaper) but also more accurate than both.

It begs the question why on earth the NHS is reinventing the wheel when there are people who already have developed this kind of thing.
I know someone who works in NHS IT...

the things he's told me are a disgrace. Millions and millions are wasted without anyone answering to it. He said one project he was on cost 5 million over 6 months and the project lead was promoted so the project was binned. No one was arsed. It's terrible. There's too many crooks making a fortune working in the NHS to ever straighten it out unfortunately.
 
I know someone who works in NHS IT...

the things he's told me are a disgrace. Millions and millions are wasted without anyone answering to it. He said one project he was on cost 5 million over 6 months and the project lead was promoted so the project was binned. No one was arsed. It's terrible. There's too many crooks making a fortune working in the NHS to ever straighten it out unfortunately.
Yes the Gordon Brown IT disaster had to be abandoned, idea was if any one in the UK too ill outside their living area their medical records would be on the computer to help the Doctors or surgeons eg if you were on holiday taking I'll or in a car accident etc!
 
Yes the Gordon Brown IT disaster had to be abandoned, idea was if any one in the UK too ill outside their living area their medical records would be on the computer to help the Doctors or surgeons eg if you were on holiday taking I'll or in a car accident etc!
Don't they have that now?

My mum was in the NHS for 45 years and high in management. She says the same. Terrible wastes of money happening everywhere. .
 
Don't they have that now?

My mum was in the NHS for 45 years and high in management. She says the same. Terrible wastes of money happening everywhere. .
Your joking wher I live a hospital 18 miles away in the same health trust have to phone up,but everywhere shuts at 5pm
My father in law just died of a brain tumour they had big gaps in his records!
 
Why do you think Brexit was anti free trade? If the EU was simply trade I'd be for it.

I think there was an element to that, yes. If you think about it, peoples jobs are threatened by three main things. The jobs can be outsourced (ie competition from other nations), new skills can enter the labour market via migration (ie competition from within), or work can be automated (ie competition from technology).

Brexit didn't touch on the latter point, but I think many of those who voted to leave wanted some protection from the first two, and felt the EU was doing anything but provide that protection.

It's funny, I was speaking today to a guy that does a lot of work around apprenticeships, and of course, all of that effort is focused solely on kids of 16-18. There's no interest from the government in using the apprenticeship model to help older people that have lost their jobs for whatever reason and need to re-train. I spoke with the Department of Education earlier this week and they didn't even know what a MOOC was, so it's perhaps not that surprising, but they seem completely out of touch with the fact that people are very likely to need to re-train during their life.
 
On the day Brexiteers abandon the £350m NHS pledge changebritain.org "Brexit means Brexit", I am reminded of this:

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David Schneider gets it about right - from IRBF on Facebook
You still lost!
The referendrum in 1975 was about trade with less European countries not a polictical Union the vote there fore was not to validate the EU by the people of this country I.e. A political union who lmposes their laws on our parliament!
 
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