Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

Consider Apple's refund ruling as an EU success, standing up to massive companies using tax loopholes in conjunction with government ministers. Get in.

Not been paid yet, pity it's took the EU years to look into it - I wonder when they will look into their tax haven single offices that the rest of European firms use as a tax dodge?????

 

[SNova]

Boris lays down the law on Brexit: He tells Theresa May UK must NOT stay in single market and NOT pay into the EU

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...esa-UK-NOT-stay-single-market-NOT-pay-EU.html

Hopefully we don't get Brexit lite and Boris and co have absolute red lines in the negotiations.

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I was talking to remoaner today still complaining about the £350m figure. I think it was a master stroke of Vote Leave to use that figure because it's all their opponents kept saying throughout the campaign.

 

[Toffeelover]

Not been paid yet, pity it's took the EU years to look into it - I wonder when they will look into their tax haven single offices that the rest of European firms use as a tax dodge?????

Netherlands and Luxembourg have been told to chase up tax from Starbucks and Fiat. Any sort of investigation does take time, the companies would not be willing co-operants.

 

[Joey66]

Netherlands and Luxembourg have been told to chase up tax from Starbucks and Fiat. Any sort of investigation does take time, the companies would not be willing co-operants.

Luxembourg the heart of the EU parliament has more tax dodging offices than most amazing how our Brexit wakes them up!

 

[Brennan]

Consider Apple's refund ruling as an EU success, standing up to massive companies using tax loopholes in conjunction with government ministers. Get in.

It's not a tax loophole and it's not a success. Apple will successfully challenge it.

This is a case of the EU trying to retroactively dictate what tax law should be. It's absurd and the kind of super state nannying behaviour that angered so many leave voters in the first place.

 

[Seanjd]

It's not a tax loophole and it's not a success. Apple will successfully challenge it.

This is a case of the EU trying to retroactively dictate what tax law should be. It's absurd and the kind of super state nannying behaviour that angered so many leave voters in the first place.

Do you agree with the lack of tax paid by Apple in this case?

 

[Brennan]

Do you agree with the lack of tax paid by Apple in this case?

There is no lack of tax.

They have obeyed Irish tax law.

Do I think they should pay more tax ? Sure. But I also think people who earn over £100k a year should pay a lot more tax. That doesn't mean the EU should have the right to start dictating what levels of tax people pay either.

 

[Seanjd]

There is no lack of tax.

They have obeyed Irish tax law.

Do I think they should pay more tax ? Sure. But I also think people who earn over £100k a year should pay a lot more tax. That doesn't mean the EU should have the right to start dictating what levels of tax people pay either.

Why should Apple be allowed to pay less tax than any other company in Ireland?

 

[Brennan]

Why should Apple be allowed to pay less tax than any other company in Ireland?

With all due respect, you're missing the point. I've just said that I think they should pay more tax.

The issue here is that the EU is attempting to dictate the tax laws of sovereign states, and even worse is attempting to do so retroactively.

This kind of interference is precisely the kind of thing which the leave campaign played up on. The EU should not have the right to dictate the tax laws of sovereign nations.

 

[Seanjd]

With all due respect, you're missing the point. I've just said that I think they should pay more tax.

The issue here is that the EU is attempting to dictate the tax laws of sovereign states, and even worse is attempting to do so retroactively.

This kind of interference is precisely the kind of thing which the leave campaign played up on. The EU should not have the right to dictate the tax laws of sovereign nations.

But this is a legal issue being fought on legal grounds, it isn't the EU dictating. The EU is right in stating that this 'special agreement' which has been investigated over the last two years could well be illegal, as they are paying 0.005% tax, when other companies have to pay the standard 12.5%

It isn't the fact that they are paying next to no tax, but the fact they are receiving special treatment.

 

[peteblue]

But this is a legal issue being fought on legal grounds, it isn't the EU dictating. The EU is right in stating that this 'special agreement' which has been investigated over the last two years could well be illegal, as they are paying 0.005% tax, when other companies have to pay the standard 12.5%

It isn't the fact that they are paying next to no tax, but the fact they are receiving special treatment.

Apple paid the correct tax on their income in Ireland. The issue, as I understand it and I'm sure it will be incorrect, is the income from elsewhere in the EU which was then transferred to an offshore business where no tax was paid. Obviously Apple should pay more tax, they are an absolute shower of greedy barstewards, but have they broken any laws ?. If the answer is no then Ireland and Apple should tell the EU to get stuffed. As the Eu is not a sovereign state, nor even a Political Union, does it even have the power to impose such a fine ? Either way this matter merely reinforces the view and aspirations of the EU to become a fully fledged Super State......we are well out of it.......

 

[Seanjd]

Apple paid the correct tax on their income in Ireland. The issue, as I understand it and I'm sure it will be incorrect, is the income from elsewhere in the EU which was then transferred to an offshore business where no tax was paid. Obviously Apple should pay more tax, they are an absolute shower of greedy barstewards, but have they broken any laws ?. If the answer is no then Ireland and Apple should tell the EU to get stuffed. As the Eu is not a sovereign state, nor even a Political Union, does it even have the power to impose such a fine ? Either way this matter merely reinforces the view and aspirations of the EU to become a fully fledged Super State......we are well out of it.......

Well, that's the question. Have Apple broken any laws? That's what is being investigated and the EU seem to think that yes, they have. All of Apple's European business is done through Apple Ireland because they pay less tax. Okay, that's bad, but hat isn't the crux of the issue. Ireland attracts businesses with a low tax rate, but it has a a separate deal with Apple by which they pay less tax than any other business in Ireland. Significantly less tax. That is what is being deemed illegal. As I said in my original post, this is an example of the EU doing what it should be.

 

[peteblue]

With all due respect, you're missing the point. I've just said that I think they should pay more tax.

The issue here is that the EU is attempting to dictate the tax laws of sovereign states, and even worse is attempting to do so retroactively.

This kind of interference is precisely the kind of thing which the leave campaign played up on. The EU should not have the right to dictate the tax laws of sovereign nations.

Indeed, and coming from a body headed up by that loathsome Juncker who did the same under the table deals while head of Luxembourg it just smacks of 'do as I say not as I do'..........

 

[peteblue]

Well, that's the question. Have Apple broken any laws? That's what is being investigated and the EU seem to think that yes, they have. All of Apple's European business is done through Apple Ireland because they pay less tax. Okay, that's bad, but hat isn't the crux of the issue. Ireland attracts businesses with a low tax rate, but it has a a separate deal with Apple by which they pay less tax than any other business in Ireland. Significantly less tax. That is what is being deemed illegal. As I said in my original post, this is an example of the EU doing what it should be.

I think everyone agrees that they should pay more tax, but is it illegal. If the Eu are so confident then why do they not ban the sale of all Apple products in the EU until this 'tax' is paid. I find it hard to believe that Apple would break the law. If they have then never mind a fine, people should be going to prison..........

 

[pornpimol2]

Well, that's the question. Have Apple broken any laws? That's what is being investigated and the EU seem to think that yes, they have. All of Apple's European business is done through Apple Ireland because they pay less tax. Okay, that's bad, but hat isn't the crux of the issue. Ireland attracts businesses with a low tax rate, but it has a a separate deal with Apple by which they pay less tax than any other business in Ireland. Significantly less tax. That is what is being deemed illegal. As I said in my original post, this is an example of the EU doing what it should be.

Does that also mean that cheap labour being sent to the U.k. is illegal?