Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Just a traitor isn't he?

No, it’s correct as I’ve said myself. It will only add a little to our GDP, but it’s a small step start....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You’re either for or against the UK...

It sadly seems to chime with the (self identified Tory) knuckle draggers on Twitter who have jumped on Sadiq Khan today and claim that London should be for 'Londoners', whatever that means. This is a party that is supposedly open and tolerant.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No, it’s correct as I’ve said myself. It will only add a little to our GDP, but it’s a small step start....

The thing is Pete, it was pointed out numerous times, and quite nicely by LSE below, that distance, or proximity more accurately, matters a lot in terms of global trade. Countries tend to trade most with those closest to them, and this has endured even as technology has shrunk distances. So the trade gains from deals with Japan, Australia, Canada and even the US, are going to pale in comparison to that lost with the EU as a result of your government's behaviour. It's like throwing away £100 and then celebrating that you've found a fiver.

Why distance matters in trade - LSE BREXIT

Despite the notion of hyper-globalisation, most trade happens with countries in close geographic proximity. A tendency towards regionalisation and the UK’s strong dependence on EU imports seem to have been forgotten in the Brexit debate, argues Patrick Kaczmarczyk (University of Sheffield). A...

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[peteblue]

The thing is Pete, it was pointed out numerous times, and quite nicely by LSE below, that distance, or proximity more accurately, matters a lot in terms of global trade. Countries tend to trade most with those closest to them, and this has endured even as technology has shrunk distances. So the trade gains from deals with Japan, Australia, Canada and even the US, are going to pale in comparison to that lost with the EU as a result of your government's behaviour. It's like throwing away £100 and then celebrating that you've found a fiver.

Why distance matters in trade - LSE BREXIT

Despite the notion of hyper-globalisation, most trade happens with countries in close geographic proximity. A tendency towards regionalisation and the UK’s strong dependence on EU imports seem to have been forgotten in the Brexit debate, argues Patrick Kaczmarczyk (University of Sheffield). A...

blogs.lse.ac.uk

But you keep assuming that trade between the U.K. and EU will be lost. Will we stop buying wine or German and French cars, of course not. Trade will continue irrespective of an FTA or not. Barnier just needs to drop his outrageous demands and a deal will be done. The U.K. is asking for nothing more than has already been given to Canada.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

No, it’s correct as I’ve said myself. It will only add a little to our GDP, but it’s a small step start....

It's a small step forward vs a few steps back in the event we don't agree a deal with the EU.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But you keep assuming that trade between the U.K. and EU will be lost. Will we stop buying wine or German and French cars, of course not. Trade will continue irrespective of an FTA or not. Barnier just needs to drop his outrageous demands and a deal will be done. The U.K. is asking for nothing more than has already been given to Canada.....

In a general sense, probably yes, but we are engaging in the first trade talk in history that will make trading harder than was previously the case. That seems unlikely to result in trade volumes rising, does it?

 

[orchard]

Nope, it’s a food for human consumption

Yay, taking back control. Hope the devolved countries get to hear about this, oh no, wait who's SIDE am I on, right?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Ultimately this doesn't really matter.

Ultimately we have used the breaking of international law as a pretext of going to war, really does matter this action even if you do buy into it being just theatricals.

 

[peteblue]

In a general sense, probably yes, but we are engaging in the first trade talk in history that will make trading harder than was previously the case. That seems unlikely to result in trade volumes rising, does it?

We are engaging in trade negotiations where one party (Eu) refuses to accept the Independence of the other party (U.K.) and where one party (Eu) wants to punish the other party (U.K.) for having the temerity of wanting to leave It’s political project. There is nothing to stop the EU and U.K. doing a free trade deal apart from the EU seeking to maintain control over the U.K. . They will not negotiate in good faith, want as many levers of control over us as possible, backed up by an ability to withdraw permissions to trade in financial services whenever they wish. Even now, what you hear from them is how to punish the U.K.. These are not the actions of a friend, nor of an ally.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

But you keep assuming that trade between the U.K. and EU will be lost. Will we stop buying wine or German and French cars, of course not. Trade will continue irrespective of an FTA or not. Barnier just needs to drop his outrageous demands and a deal will be done. The U.K. is asking for nothing more than has already been given to Canada.....

Hate to inform you, we are not Canada, we are not even close neighbours, which would have been pertinent fact to EU Canada deal...

 

[Jebus_lives]

We are engaging in trade negotiations where one party (Eu) refuses to accept the Independence of the other party (U.K.) and where one party (Eu) wants to punish the other party (U.K.) for having the temerity of wanting to leave It’s political project. There is nothing to stop the EU and U.K. doing a free trade deal apart from the EU seeking to maintain control over the U.K. . They will not negotiate in good faith, want as many levers of control over us as possible, backed up by an ability to withdraw permissions to trade in financial services whenever they wish. Even now, what you hear from them is how to punish the U.K.. These are not the actions of a friend, nor of an ally.....

For those still playing, 'good faith' and 'Art.184' are your new watch words for Brexiteer bingo.

 

[peteblue]

Hate to inform you, we are not Canada, we are not even close neighbours, which would have been pertinent fact to EU Canada deal...

Canada is geographically closer to the U.K. than some parts of the EU...but I take your point.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We are engaging in trade negotiations where one party (Eu) refuses to accept the Independence of the other party (U.K.) and where one party (Eu) wants to punish the other party (U.K.) for having the temerity of wanting to leave It’s political project. There is nothing to stop the EU and U.K. doing a free trade deal apart from the EU seeking to maintain control over the U.K. . They will not negotiate in good faith, want as many levers of control over us as possible, backed up by an ability to withdraw permissions to trade in financial services whenever they wish. Even now, what you hear from them is how to punish the U.K.. These are not the actions of a friend, nor of an ally.....

It's not "punishment" to have worse terms than we used to have. That was the bargain you voted for. You just happened to believe those who lied to you and suggested we could have it all.

 

[degsy]

Nope, it’s a food for human consumption

Chlorinated Chicken...please say its clorinated chicken for the fume

 

[orly]

Canada is geographically closer to the U.K. than some parts of the EU...but I take your point.....

It's done on closest two border points Pete. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.