Current Affairs EU In or Out

[random]

I think you've misunderstood. Pete is suggesting the UK can rely on Art.184 as a means to safely pass the IM Bill because the EU haven't negotiated in good faith and have broken the law first.

wouldn't be the first time.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...egal_position_on_the_Withdrawal_Agreement.pdf

page 6

Article 5 provides that the UK and the EU must, in good faith, assist each other in carrying out the tasks which flow from the Agreement and ensure that obligations arising from it are fulfilled. See also Article 20 of the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol, below. A reciprocal legal obligation on the parties to act in good faith is a common feature of international agreements. The principle of good faith is a rule of customary international law, as has been recognised by the CJEU6 and the International Court of Justice. A dispute about compliance with this obligation could be raised under the applicable dispute resolution mechanism in the Agreement (see below). It is likely that there would only be a finding of breach where it was supported by clear evidence.

I doubt that the UK could provide clear evidence, but if the bill passes then the EU definitely could.

I don't think the EU have been negotiating in what I would call a generous manner*, but 'nothing is agreed until its agreed' this may just be a negotiating tactic by the UK Gov, who knows

*not looked into this in detail though, just what I have read in various places, am sure M Barnier would say otherwise

 

[mightymoyes]

Seems Johnson and his boss are jealous of North Koreas pariah status and want it some of it for themselves

 

[orly]

Gove there, short stutter as he remembers to talk about "British" ministers rather than those of the United Kingdom.

Get ready for plenty of this in the next few months buddies.

 

[Jebus_lives]

wouldn't be the first time.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...egal_position_on_the_Withdrawal_Agreement.pdf

page 6

Article 5 provides that the UK and the EU must, in good faith, assist each other in carrying out the tasks which flow from the Agreement and ensure that obligations arising from it are fulfilled. See also Article 20 of the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol, below. A reciprocal legal obligation on the parties to act in good faith is a common feature of international agreements. The principle of good faith is a rule of customary international law, as has been recognised by the CJEU6 and the International Court of Justice. A dispute about compliance with this obligation could be raised under the applicable dispute resolution mechanism in the Agreement (see below). It is likely that there would only be a finding of breach where it was supported by clear evidence.

I doubt that the UK could provide clear evidence, but if the bill passes then the EU definitely could.

I don't think the EU have been negotiating in what I would call a generous manner*, but 'nothing is agreed until its agreed' this may just be a negotiating tactic by the UK Gov, who knows

*not looked into this in detail though, just what I have read in various places, am sure M Barnier would say otherwise

So you think doubtful?

 

[random]

So you think doubtful?

I don't think the UK can prove lack of good faith, if the Bill passes I am sure the EU could prove it

 

[random]

Seems Johnson and his boss are jealous of North Koreas pariah status and want it some of it for themselves

Dunno what you mean....

 

[Jebus_lives]

I don't think the UK can prove lack of good faith, if the Bill passes I am sure the EU could prove it

@peteblue @random reckons you're chatting legal wham

 

[orly]

Trade talks: Why chicken, cheese, and cod are a tricky menu

The UK this week pursues simultaneous talks with Japan, the US and EU to secure its post-Brexit future.

www.bbc.co.uk

While the UK has managed to largely replicate the EU's deal with Japan, the issue of cheese, such as Stilton, has caused a stink.

Britain wants better access for its cheese farmers; Japan isn't keen. Is this really worth the strife, given that Japan only buys about £2m worth of British cheese? Well, it's not about the current picture, but the potential for growth.

The author of the piece must have run out of space to explain the real reason this has fallen apart.

Perhaps @peteblue can help.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

The mainland will have immigration control In the same way that if people want to move from London to Belfast,Belfast to Dublin, Dublin to Paris, there would be immigration control in Paris.

What is the immigration control from Belfast to Dublin?

What even is the immigration control for me flying Belfast to Liverpool?

 

[Harryflashman]

What is the immigration control from Belfast to Dublin?

What even is the immigration control for me flying Belfast to Liverpool?

I mean as I tried to explain to him and as you know better than anyone there just isn’t . There amount of English people that seem to have no idea or care about the border , the CTA Or grasp that we don’t need a passport or immigration when we fly to London from Birmingham and just the same we don’t need one to travel to /from Belfast And the mainland .

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I mean as I tried to explain to him and as you know better than anyone there just isn’t . There amount of English people that seem to have no idea or care about the border , the CTA Or grasp that we don’t need a passport or immigration when we fly to London from Birmingham and just the same we don’t need one to travel to /from Belfast And the mainland .

It’s strange though Harry, it only takes us 35 mins to fly from Belfast for games but yet so little appears to be known about the actual mechanics of over here.

Fun that we can change nationalities mid flight though

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So no explanation on regaining on the key manifesto pledge or the February signing by Johnson of his very own oven ready deal... The EU will sit back and watch our democracy tear itself apart again, House of Lords this time, the opening shot by Howard. Mwhahah.

Lord Howard savages Boris Johnson over Brexit plans

Lord Howard today became the third former leader of the Conservative Party to criticise Boris Johnson over his plans to tear up parts of the Brexit divorce deal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

from the same article...Ouch-

'Separately, Nancy Pelosi, the US Speaker of the House, underlined the high stakes as she delivered a stark warning there will be no Transatlantic trade deal unless Mr Johnson honours the Brexit divorce terms on Northern Ireland'.

 

[orly]

Brexit deal stand-off threatens trade talks

The EU is furious about the UK's latest Brexit move - but there is no chance of the government backing down.

www.bbc.co.uk

Beneath contempt.

"this Government doesn't back down... er... except when it does... er... chatter and sources... er"

A Johnson government backs down all the time ffs. On this, C-19, trade talks, you name it. And yet the URL snapshot there says "never".

 

[orchard]

"Odd that the party holding all the cards needs to cheat isn't it?"

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Brexit deal stand-off threatens trade talks

The EU is furious about the UK's latest Brexit move - but there is no chance of the government backing down.

www.bbc.co.uk

Beneath contempt.

"this Government doesn't back down... er... except when it does... er... chatter and sources... er"

A Johnson government backs down all the time ffs. On this, C-19, trade talks, you name it. And yet the URL snapshot there says "never".

Lamont Howard and even Bernard Jenkins of the ERG has laid into Government tonight over this... mwhahha!