Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Jebus_lives]

You seem to have a grasp on these legal points and stuff. So other than being outrageous, (agree), is there a body than can stop it? Other than the Lords, and even my knowledge knows they cant really.

It's largely voluntary, but the laws exist predominantly by consent and reputation. You break international laws, particularly on treaties and agreements you voluntarily entered into, heralded as great, passed through your legislative process then negotiated on an international stage; until you deem them unsuitable.

It's untrustworthy and could have serious implications in future trade deals, particularly with the U.S if the border in Northern Ireland becomes problematic.

 

[Tea_drinker]

This whole thing is posh school boys trying to live the teenage rebellion they never had.

 

[roydo]

It's largely voluntary, but the laws exist predominantly by consent and reputation. You break international laws, particularly on treaties and agreements you voluntarily entered into, heralded as great, passed through your legislative process then negotiated on an international stage; until you deem them unsuitable.

It's untrustworthy and could have serious implications in future trade deals, particularly with the U.S if the border in Northern Ireland becomes problematic.

Yeah, get that. Hardly gives you the moral high ground does it?

 

[mill]

Paints a terrible picture of the folk who voted Leave, and why.

Not entirely surprising given what’s happened since. Be similar based on age

Older white people scared of the country changing.

 

[roydo]

Not entirely surprising given what’s happened since. Be similar based on age

Older white people scared of the country changing.

Thats what I dont get. Its changed from the 1950's, mainly, for the better. Certainly for the better for older white folk. That said, I do get the anger from the Northern Red Wall voters turned Blue, even though its mainly misdirected.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yeah, get that. Hardly gives you the moral high ground does it?

How can you, for example, criticise China or Russia for breaches of international law if you are happy to do it yourself.

The problem Johnson has is that he signed a deal that was effectively May's deal and did absolutely nothing to address the fundamental problems Brexiters had with it (I suspect Johnson didn't really read it or understand the implications) but they heralded it as a great deal because 'it broke the deadlock and got Parliament working again' which is hilarious given the complete disregard for Parliamentary Sovereignty/Process that has been displayed since.

 

[random]

Thats being kind. You can pin Labours post vote position on Corbyn, to a degree, but the Remain campaign? Nah.

Actually the surveys and studies* do support that opinion to a degree, prior to the referendum the leaders of the parties had the following approval ratings

Cameron -6
Farron -12
Farage -18
Corbyn -32

So to explain, more people thought Cameron was doing slightly worse than better, Corbyn as you can see is nearly twice as bad as Farage who you will note wasn't the most popular out of the bunch.


*Source Evans and Goodwin 2017

 

[tsubaki]

Not entirely surprising given what’s happened since. Be similar based on age

Older white people scared of the country changing.

the truly annoying thing is that it was them who changed it

 

[tsubaki]

Actually the surveys and studies* do support that opinion to a degree, prior to the referendum the leaders of the parties had the following approval ratings

Cameron -6
Farron -12
Farage -18
Corbyn -32

So to explain, more people thought Cameron was doing slightly worse than better, Corbyn as you can see is nearly twice as bad as Farage who as you can see wasn't the most popular out of the bunch.


*Source Evans and Goodwin 2017

"most people thought"? those opinions are down to how the media portrayed those candidates, not on a sober and calm reflection of reality

you can even see that in your figures:

Farron -12

the man had the appearance of a Vicar's lampstand and all the political nous, too

 

[orly]

Just a gentle reminder that the compliance departments of many, many major international firms will not let their regional offices operate in a way that risks breaking the law.

 

[random]

The problem Johnson has is that he signed a deal that was effectively May's deal

Was there actually any difference in it ? I hadn't noticed that anything had fundamentally changed.

 

[random]

you can even see that in your the figures:

 

[Jebus_lives]

Was there actually any difference in it ? I hadn't noticed that anything had fundamentally changed.

Very minor changes. Makes you wonder why it was heralded as a massive achievement by those who had previously planned it - in Parliament, in the media and on here.

 

[tsubaki]

Very minor changes. Makes you wonder why it was heralded as a massive achievement by those who had previously planned it - in Parliament, in the media and on here.

yes but according to PP we have a press that reports without fear or favour, so therefore it must have been a massive achievement

 

[Jebus_lives]

yes but according to PP we have a press that reports without fear or favour, so therefore it must have been a massive achievement

Aye but she also says this without irony

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