Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Ruairi77 said:
I know I'm looking at this from afar but what contemptible figures were front and center of the remain campaign?
Farage/Cummings/Banks/Murdock/Trump all pushing for Brexit, I mean that's the A list of scummy people right there.
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Add Gove, Johnson, Rees-Moog and just about all of the most disgusting parts of the Conservative party.
Rarely saw anyone come out with a reasonable reason for leaving the Eu. Was all jingoistic BS perpetuated by total frauds.
 
random said:
simplify it for me.

Are you saying we actually increase our powers by entering into an arrangement whereby we allow others to influence our laws but in turn we influence theirs ?
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I know the question not directed at me but yes.
If you are the biggest (or one of the biggest) player at the table controlling the largest wealthiest economic block in the world, you have more power and influence than if you are a mid sized economy trading on your own.
Should be well worth the compromise of having to negotiate some legislation.
The Tories played chicken with the backbenchers and electorate and lost.
By taking this tac, they skipped a couple of steps in the negotiations to remain within the EU but on better terms.
The people who won the game of chicken are now at the helm, unfortunately, now you need smart people not stubborn people in charge.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
Add Gove, Johnson, Rees-Moog and just about all of the most disgusting parts of the Conservative party.
Rarely saw anyone come out with a reasonable reason for leaving the Eu. Was all jingoistic BS perpetuated by total frauds.
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TBH, I intentionally left out MP's as it's easy to complain about MP's you don't agree with.
But just look at the unelected (to westminster) cast that assembled around 'leave'. Should have been enough to make any sane person run a mile.
We're in the exact same boat here in the US.
 
Ruairi77 said:
I know I'm looking at this from afar but what contemptible figures were front and center of the remain campaign?
Farage/Cummings/Banks/Murdock/Trump all pushing for Brexit, I mean that's the A list of scummy people right there.
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off the top of my head from the remain in the EU side I would list

Richard Branson
Alistair Campbell
Tony Blair
Keith Vaz

And then I would start on Cameron and Osbourne and work down the list of conservative MP's.

I just don't have a very high opinion of most current or ex-politicians.
 
random said:
off the top of my head from the remain in the EU side I would list

Richard Branson
Alistair Campbell
Tony Blair
Keith Vaz

And then I would start on Cameron and Osbourne and work down the list of conservative MP's.

I just don't have a very high opinion of most current or ex-politicians.
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Right, so if you take out British politicians, who are always going to be hated by one side or the other, what are you left with.
Richard Branson, I mean, a bit of a weasel but not quite the same level as Cummings/Murdock/Trump
 
Ruairi77 said:
Right, so if you take out British politicians, who are always going to be hated by one side or the other, what are you left with.
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But it was mainly politicians that were involved and party lines did not mean much with the Brexit vote.

Liz Hurley hiding behind a Union Jack or Bob Geldof flicking the V's I doubt influenced that many voters (ok maybe Liz did)
 
random said:
But it was mainly politicians that were involved and party lines did not mean much with the Brexit vote.

Liz Hurley hiding behind a Union Jack or Bob Geldof flicking the V's I doubt influenced that many voters (ok maybe Liz did)
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Thats true. It seems a distant memory now, but all those votes when May was trying to get sommet passed in the HOC were a PITA.

Its why I voted for Johnson, cos Brexit had to be sorted one way or another, even though I didnt want it. Had enough of the games basically.
 
random said:
But it was mainly politicians that were involved and party lines did not mean much with the Brexit vote.

Liz Hurley hiding behind a Union Jack or Bob Geldof flicking the V's I doubt influenced that many voters (ok maybe Liz did)
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Right, but like I said, in a referendum each side is going to find the other sides politicians reprehensible, it's the nature of the beast.
Where Brexit differs is the cast of characters that attach to the campaigns.
If you move past the politicians, leave assembled the grubbiest group of money men, cheats, and crooks going and had the backing of people who were like vultures waiting to pick at the carcass of a failed UK.
You might think that's sensationalist but trust me, Trump did not support Brexit because he thought it would be in the best interests of the people of the UK, or even America. He did it to please Putin and line his family's pockets.
Pray for your NHS if he gets reelected. They'll need all the help they can get.
 
random said:
off the top of my head from the remain in the EU side I would list

Richard Branson
Alistair Campbell
Tony Blair
Keith Vaz

And then I would start on Cameron and Osbourne and work down the list of conservative MP's.

I just don't have a very high opinion of most current or ex-politicians.
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The fact that Blair was a remainer was enough to ensure a leave vote, particularly amongst Labour voters in the north.
 
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Ruairi77 said:
Right, but like I said, in a referendum each side is going to find the other sides politicians reprehensible, it's the nature of the beast.
Where Brexit differs is the cast of characters that attach to the campaigns.
If you move past the politicians, leave assembled the grubbiest group of money men, cheats, and crooks going and had the backing of people who were like vultures waiting to pick at the carcass of a failed UK.
You might think that's sensationalist but trust me, Trump did not support Brexit because he thought it would be in the best interests of the people of the UK, or even America. He did it to please Putin and line his family's pockets.
Pray for your NHS if he gets reelected. They'll need all the help they can get.
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We tried to tell them. They didnt buy it. Project fear or sommet.
 
Ruairi77 said:
Right, but like I said, in a referendum each side is going to find the other sides politicians reprehensible, it's the nature of the beast.
Where Brexit differs is the cast of characters that attach to the campaigns.
If you move past the politicians, leave assembled the grubbiest group of money men, cheats, and crooks going and had the backing of people who were like vultures waiting to pick at the carcass of a failed UK.
You might think that's sensationalist but trust me, Trump did not support Brexit because he thought it would be in the best interests of the people of the UK, or even America. He did it to please Putin and line his families pockets.
Pray for your NHS if he gets reelected. They'll need all the help they can get.
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I will admit I never heard of Cummings, Banks et al. until after the result and the aftermath, and I suspect if I look back at the start of this thread those 2 names will hardly be mentioned, they became well known afterwards (although I stand to be corrected, they were just people I hadn't paid any attention to/about)

I always thought Trump was all about what's in Trumps best interest, the only thing that separates him from the rest is they are (mainly) a lot more subtle about it
 
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