Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

I agree, let's get back to what actually matters in this and get this thread back to business as normal.

I look forward to a resumption of well constructed and informed concerns dismissed as moaning and fear mongering with a sprinkling of humble bragging, jingoism and unintentional non sequiturs about Salt.

....something something about Orange Juice.....

 

[Jebus_lives]

....something something about Orange Juice.....

Surely you're familiar with metaphor???

 

[Bruce Wayne]

How dare you. @peteblue and 'his generation', as he regularly points out, has single handedly made this country great over the the last 400 years or so.

Time for you to start doing your bit.

The worst thing is that these retirees are ready and waiting to pin the blame on younger generations when this turns out to be a shitshow.

 

[peteblue]

Christ, the self regard in this.

Another retiree brexiter. It's hardly any of their business what opportunities are around for young people. And I bet this old duffer took advantage of EU membership for years.

I agree, let's get back to what actually matters in this and get this thread back to business as normal.

I look forward to a resumption of well constructed and informed concerns dismissed as moaning and fear mongering with a sprinkling of humble bragging, jingoism and unintentional non sequiturs about Salt.

Now you can all go back to wondering why Leave voters cba trying to debate in this thread....

 

[Jebus_lives]

The worst thing is that these retirees are ready and waiting to pin the blame on younger generations when this turns out to be a shitshow.

Of course they are. Everything is about glorifying themselves and blaming everyone else.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I was sceptical at first, but seeing since we've left we have spent billions left right and centre Iike it doesn't matter must mean that we have to be saving a load of money now we are out.

*or this government is creating an economic timebomb for the younger generations by borrowing to help the older people now. Bit like brexit itself.

Lest we forget that the current retired generation not only enjoyed free university education, full EU membership, cheap housing, but they also enjoyed a triple lock pension and free care in their old age, all of which the younger generations no longer have.

 

[Brennan]

I have no problem shouldering any decision I have personally made, always have done. I have consistently said that the driver for me was our political and legal independence, a return of sovereignty, the ability to stand on our own two feet and to have the most senior politicians accountable to the U.K. voter. I have stated many times that there will be an initial economic hit, not now as huge as I first thought, but a hit nonetheless until we put in place additional routes to market. Those routes to market will be made much easier as a result of making deals that suit the U.K. and the trade partner, and are not beholding to the requirements and needs of another 27 diverse countries.

A good friend of mine, now also retired, was the CFO of a multinational. He was an ardent remainer. However he is now very vocal in getting out from the control of the EU as quickly as possible. He originally took the short term view, as a great many did, of don't rock the boat. However, since the vote, he’s had four years of actually looking at the EU and the way it operates in a way that he never did before, and has completely changed his views. Like me, he thought he joined a Common Market, a way to sell more stuff without barriers, he never voted to join a Political Union, and the more you look at the EU the less appealing it gets.

But we are out now, the sky didn’t fall on our heads, and we will deal with whatever trade arrangements end up in place through a deal or no deal and we will overcome the financial ravages of COVID 19. It just takes time...

Bit of a disingenuous comment as you know that any fallout will come once the transition period ends, not before. We're currently in the honeymoon period whereby we've have all of the emotional celebration of leaving and 'taking back control' without any of the reality of what that means.

I also don't like this idea that people voted to remain to avoid 'short term' damage. There's no evidence of any long term benefit either and the vast majority of experts in the field of economics will tell you it's likely to be worse over the long term than better.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Now you can all go back to wondering why Leave voters cba trying to debate in this thread....

Is it because every time their arguments are questioned they move the goalposts, change the subject or tell us all how they built this country and the youth of today wouldn't know hard work if it kicked them in the pants, whilst removing their right to seek it abroad?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Now you can all go back to wondering why Leave voters cba trying to debate in this thread....

Repeating 'project fear' and remoaner over and over isn't really debating.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Now you can all go back to wondering why Leave voters cba trying to debate in this thread....

To butcher an analogy Pete, you won the war, now it's beholden on you to win the peace, which is something you're walking away from. As it is, you're coming across as though the only outcome that matters to you is that we leave, whether leaving helps or hinders the country as a whole is irrelevant as you're immune to economic consequences anyway, it was all about your personal pride.

 

[peteblue]

The worst thing is that these retirees are ready and waiting to pin the blame on younger generations when this turns out to be a shitshow.

Not at all Bruce. But other than pay my taxes and employ people in a couple of small businesses, what else would you like me to do.....

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Lest we forget that the current retired generation not only enjoyed free university education, full EU membership, cheap housing, but they also enjoyed a triple lock pension and free care in their old age, all of which the younger generations no longer have.

But crack on young 'uns! Make that Brexit your elders voted for a success.

 

[peteblue]

Repeating 'project fear' and remoaner over and over isn't really debating.

your word not mine...

 

[peteblue]

But crack on young 'uns! Make that Brexit your elders voted for a success.

That’s the spirit.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not at all Bruce. But other than pay my taxes and employ people in a couple of small businesses, what else would you like me to do.....

You made a choice/cast a vote for a particular outcome that had ramifications far beyond your small businesses and personal tax obligations, and presumably that choice was made in order to make the country better for all who reside here. I don't think it's too much to ask for you to hold those who are enacting your choice to account to make sure that happens. At the moment you're walking away and giving them a blank cheque to make whatever kind of pig's ear of the thing as possible.