Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

"I certainly hope so"
You don't know do you? Not good enough

Do you know ?.....

 

[roydo]

You can vote your government out...

I am sure Cornwall will enjoy waiting 4 years to try, while trying to make do without £280m they would have had from the EU.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce, seriously, do you honestly believe that...apart from the pig‘s ear bit...

Well I'm not generally a glutton for punishment, so haven't given too much attention to the fine print of the deal. As I've been told for a few years now, we've left, and I've moved on.

 

[dead_soft]

What claims do you believe I have made ?.....

That it's those who voted Remain who have stopped a good deal being negotiated was your more recent one

 

[peteblue]

That it's those who voted Remain who have stopped a good deal being negotiated was your more recent one

And that is indeed correct, as anyone who has negotiated a contract will tell you. But please provide the rest of the list......

 

[Blues Harp]

And that is indeed correct, as anyone who has negotiated a contract will tell you. But please provide the rest of the list......

Patronising tory apologist.

 

[dead_soft]

And that is indeed correct, as anyone who has negotiated a contract will tell you. But please provide the rest of the list......

What do you mean it's correct? I've negotiated plenty of contracts and I don't think that...

Some other comments that don't seem to have much backing them up

'I would expect standards etc to remain at similar levels. It‘s only the Politicians who are trying to make this difficult when it doesn’t need to be'

'The EU is still moving irreversibly, step by pernicious step, into becoming the USE. It seeks to be ‘the big player’ with its own EU army, sucking in more Eastern countries, none of whom have any understanding or commonality with each other,' - there's at least two assumptions/phrasing there without evidence to support it.

'and does not need another level of politicians in Brussels dictating our future' - an assumption it already has this without a say so which is just untrue.

'views reinforced by the way the EU is operating and dealing in a high handed manner with a former member.' - this is just classic Brexit nonsense - blame the Europeans claptrap.

'The Port of Liverpool will benefit greatly from Brexit and the focus away from Europe.' - Is this true? If so, does one port in Liverpool doing well out of this really change anything?

 

[random]

Its not getting closed till we can see all the benefits of leaving that were promised.

is there a list somewhere ?

 

[peteblue]

Sorry pete but I can’t have this .

something you , and the majority, wanted happened . A number of people said a lot was wrong with what was being suggested and that far from being easy would be difficult and very possibly painful and messy . It’s come to pass that those suggesting it wasn’t easy might have had something and now people are saying “No it would have been easy but those people undermined it “

I’ve accepted the democratic decision , I’ve tried to be consistent from the get go on that as much as I can . I mean obviously I think it’s wrong but it’s happened but if things I worried might happen happen then I’m pretty confident I bear no responsibility for it .

I know you’re older than me but I thought it was The youngsters that couldn't accept when they had to take their share . If you own some of this pete then shoulder it . You are , I presume , confident that the good times are coming so celebrate that and don’t blame others for where we may well end up .

I have no problem shouldering any decision I have personally made, always have done. I have consistently said that the driver for me was our political and legal independence, a return of sovereignty, the ability to stand on our own two feet and to have the most senior politicians accountable to the U.K. voter. I have stated many times that there will be an initial economic hit, not now as huge as I first thought, but a hit nonetheless until we put in place additional routes to market. Those routes to market will be made much easier as a result of making deals that suit the U.K. and the trade partner, and are not beholding to the requirements and needs of another 27 diverse countries.

A good friend of mine, now also retired, was the CFO of a multinational. He was an ardent remainer. However he is now very vocal in getting out from the control of the EU as quickly as possible. He originally took the short term view, as a great many did, of don't rock the boat. However, since the vote, he’s had four years of actually looking at the EU and the way it operates in a way that he never did before, and has completely changed his views. Like me, he thought he joined a Common Market, a way to sell more stuff without barriers, he never voted to join a Political Union, and the more you look at the EU the less appealing it gets.

But we are out now, the sky didn’t fall on our heads, and we will deal with whatever trade arrangements end up in place through a deal or no deal and we will overcome the financial ravages of COVID 19. It just takes time...

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

We built the country through the 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 00’s, and 10’s ......We’ve now put you on the right path, it’s time for youth to have a go at building something......don’t let us down, our triple locked pensions don’t pay themselves you know...... *follows Degsy to the Oldies Thread for a pint and a chat......

Christ, the self regard in this.

 

[Tea_drinker]

A good friend of mine, now also retired, was the CFO of a multinational. He was an ardent remainer. However he is now very vocal in getting out from the control of the EU as quickly as possible.

Another retiree brexiter. It's hardly any of their business what opportunities are around for young people. And I bet this old duffer took advantage of EU membership for years.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Do you know ?.....

You could always adopt a system whereby if you ask a question that is rhetorical and it signals the end of the discussion, you put one question mark and if you actually want the question to be given an answer you could do 3 or more question marks.

Just for clarity sake for all concerned. Have you thought about that???

 

[Jebus_lives]

Another retiree brexiter. It's hardly any of their business what opportunities are around for young people. And I bet this old duffer took advantage of EU membership for years.

How dare you. @peteblue and 'his generation', as he regularly points out, has single handedly made this country great over the the last 400 years or so.

Time for you to start doing your bit.

 

[Jebus_lives]

A look at the thread title should really answer the question about continuing debate in this thread. EU in or Out was the title and question. The U.K. voted to Leave, Remainers wouldn’t accept it, the U.K. has now left the EU, Remainers still don’t understand it. It’s over, done with, finished. We are now negotiating a trade deal with the EU, just as we are with the USA and Japan. The U.K.‘s involvement with the EU is over, we are a sovereign independent country once again. This thread should be closed tbh.....

I agree, let's get back to what actually matters in this and get this thread back to business as normal.

I look forward to a resumption of well constructed and informed concerns dismissed as moaning and fear mongering with a sprinkling of humble bragging, jingoism and unintentional non sequiturs about Salt.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I was sceptical at first, but seeing since we've left we have spent billions left right and centre Iike it doesn't matter must mean that we have to be saving a load of money now we are out.

*or this government is creating an economic timebomb for the younger generations by borrowing to help the older people now. Bit like brexit itself.