Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

Not at all, but people tend to forget that if the EU make it hard for the U.K. to export to Europe, then it will be just as hard for European countries to export to the U.K......

Which will obviously delight Nissan, Honda, Mini/BMW production sites in the UK.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not at all, but people tend to forget that if the EU make it hard for the U.K. to export to Europe, then it will be just as hard for European countries to export to the U.K......

We're at a starting point of about as much ease as any trade agreement on the planet, and have chosen to make it harder ourselves. As you constantly remind us, not only does the buck stop with us now, but you're quite happy with some pain as a result of that.

 

[peteblue]

We're at a starting point of about as much ease as any trade agreement on the planet, and have chosen to make it harder ourselves. As you constantly remind us, not only does the buck stop with us now, but you're quite happy with some pain as a result of that.

We will still trade with the EU, but we will no longer be dragged further and further into their political union......

 

[peteblue]

Which will obviously delight Nissan, Honda, Mini/BMW production sites in the UK.

I read somewhere that Nissan and co believe that they can increase total market share if the EU play silly buggers. Hurting Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen Can be good for them.....

 

[roydo]

I read somewhere that Nissan and co believe that they can increase total market share if the EU play silly buggers. Hurting Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen Can be good for them.....

I was referring more to the supply chain, y'know, that Just in Time thing.

 

[bluejim95]

Excellent post, and of course it is a 2 way street between the U.K. and the EU. Either can make it as easy or as difficult as they wish, but it works both ways. Unfortunately the noises coming from the EU suggest difficulties, but these will also be difficulties that they are foisting onto their own exporters in relation to the U.K.....

Totally, it will work both ways. In reality, it should be easy as at the beginning, standards and classification will be aligned. Politics is where it gets difficult, they will use it to drive an agenda at the first opportunity.

To be clear, my posts weren't intended to support an arguement or a side. They were to share my experience and give an insight to what it's actually like.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I read somewhere that Nissan and co believe that they can increase total market share if the EU play silly buggers. Hurting Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen Can be good for them.....

Think that was in the FT. They would effectively be increasing their share in the UK to 20%.

Although, Nissan have officially said that's not the case: "We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs.

"We continue to urge UK and EU negotiators to work collaboratively towards an orderly balanced Brexit that will continue to encourage mutually beneficial trade."

 

[bluejim95]

I was referring more to the supply chain, y'know, that Just in Time thing.

Yep, expect supply chain costs to rocket. Putting goods in a container, sending them via boat, isn't cheap. Unlike throwing them in a lorry and driving them to or from the EU.

I could get 2 deliveries to Holland for the cost of one Vet to oversee loading to a country outside of the EU.

 

[Blues Harp]

We will still trade with the EU, but we will no longer be dragged further and further into their political union......

Sorry mate, but what do you define as "political union?" EU federation? EU army? Or something completely different? How are we being "dragged into" this?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I read somewhere that Nissan and co believe that they can increase total market share if the EU play silly buggers. Hurting Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen Can be good for them.....

55% of Nissans U.K. production is exported to the EU. 51% of total U.K. car production goes the same way and only circa 18% of the total number of cars produced in the U.K. are for the U.K. market.

But yeah you read somewhere or something.

 

[Rob17896]

And yet, the rest of the modern world copes just fine, outside of the EU....

Some of it does. What people forget is that the eu is about integration and co-operation. It is about avoiding war, it is about human rights and the rule of law, it is about public health, it is not racist, it is about living together without borders. It funds the more deprived members. It is far from perfect as humans are, but it has a set of principles far from America, Australia, Russia, the Middle East in general, China....I could go on but do you trust America and China more? We have made a terrible mistake.

 

[Rob17896]

55% of Nissans U.K. production is exported to the EU. 51% of total U.K. car production goes the same way and only circa 18% of the total number of cars produced in the U.K. are for the U.K. market.

But yeah you read somewhere or something.

Pete is correct but it was plainly Tory rag propaganda. Japan now has a deal with the EU that makes producing in the UK not that important. I would never wish a job loss on anyone, it is awful, but just how utterly, desperately thick are the population of Sunderland? If Nissan go they are in a bad way. Never mind, in thirty years a train will run from London a little bit faster...Woohoo

 

[peteblue]

55% of Nissans U.K. production is exported to the EU. 51% of total U.K. car production goes the same way and only circa 18% of the total number of cars produced in the U.K. are for the U.K. market.

But yeah you read somewhere or something.

I think you miss the point. The U.K. produces far fewer cars than the Eu. So if only 18% of U.K. cars manufactured in the U.K. are for the U.K. market, your figures, then 82% of the U.K. market comes from somewhere else and this is what they are looking at. Now you have the numbers so do the maths.....

But yeah I read something....you should try it.....

 

[peteblue]

Sorry mate, but what do you define as "political union?" EU federation? EU army? Or something completely different? How are we being "dragged into" this?

Honestly, is this a real question.....

 

[peteblue]

Totally, it will work both ways. In reality, it should be easy as at the beginning, standards and classification will be aligned. Politics is where it gets difficult, they will use it to drive an agenda at the first opportunity.

To be clear, my posts weren't intended to support an arguement or a side. They were to share my experience and give an insight to what it's actually like.

And they did....