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He seems to be a man without principles. It’s ok though, all politicians lie repeatedly
I know there was a shift during the Brexit talks from 'everything will be better' to 'if we survive this then we can survive anything'*
But more recently there now seems to be moves amount the politicians to completely disown this, they've delivered it, now everything that goes badly or will become unpopular will be met with 'well you voted for this'. Gove is a prime example, but the general shift seems to follow:
On border checks on imports/exports;
2016: "Project Fear by remainers"
2017: "car industry won't allow it"
2018: "Frictionless Trade"
2019: "WTO clause x prevents it"
2020: "we will have border checks but you voted for this'
The government has a treasure trove of excuses to use if we go into recession. Probably get away with it as well, especially when they start placing the blame on foreigners. People lap it up.
Barnfred 55
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I did read it Jimmy. It is essentially a post that highlights the disruption to business that logistical trade barriers brings, and by comparison how easy it is to operate within the EU where there are no trade barriers. So it is an attack on Brexit. A legitimate one maybe, but an attack nonetheless.
And Mr white is also correct in what he says. Other countries do operate trade whilst being outside of the EU. Being out of the EU does not mean that trading will stop. And whilst these events do happen often and are an absolute pain in the arse when they do, they are by no means the norm and the majority of overseas trade is more streamlined. Some countries are absolute pains to deal with, but hopefully none within the EU will be, unless of course they decide to punish the UK for leaving the EU if trade talks break down. Fingers crossed this doesn't happen.
What next for Brexit Brits abroad? Lords Committee write to Michael Gove to seek assurances
The House of Lords EU Justice Committee has today written to Michael Gove, Chancellor of the Dutchy of Lancaster, to seek assurances about the rights of UK citizens living in the EU.
The letter, sent by Committee Chair Lord Morris recognises that the UK’s own settlement scheme for EU nationals in the UK is progressing well but raises concerns about the fate of the 1.3m Brits currently living in the 27 EU Member States. The Committee have asked Mr Gove to provide an up to date assessment of the arrangements that have been made for UK citizens’ in each Member State, regarding registration; health and social security rights and voting rights.
The Committee has also asked for details of the impact of the Government’s scheme introduced in 2019 to support vulnerable people with registering in their country of residence.
The Committee are particularly keen that the Government clarify the position for UK nationals livening in Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, the EU countries with the largest number of resident UK nationals.
Commenting Lord Morris said:
“Despite Brexit now being ‘done’ UK nationals living in the EU are still not clear on what their rights will be by the end of this year. Many of them have lived abroad for many years but cannot plan their future with certainty as the Government has not provided an detailed analysis of what the position will be after the transition period ends.
“We are asking the Government to update us, and the British expatriates throughout the EU on the latest position and what more they can do to support UK national at this difficult and uncertain time.”
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The House of Lords EU Justice Committee has today written to Michael Gove, Chancellor of the Dutchy of Lancaster, to seek assurances about the rights of UK citizens living in the EU.
The letter, sent by Committee Chair Lord Morris recognises that the UK’s own settlement scheme for EU nationals in the UK is progressing well but raises concerns about the fate of the 1.3m Brits currently living in the 27 EU Member States. The Committee have asked Mr Gove to provide an up to date assessment of the arrangements that have been made for UK citizens’ in each Member State, regarding registration; health and social security rights and voting rights.
The Committee has also asked for details of the impact of the Government’s scheme introduced in 2019 to support vulnerable people with registering in their country of residence.
The Committee are particularly keen that the Government clarify the position for UK nationals livening in Spain, France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, the EU countries with the largest number of resident UK nationals.
Commenting Lord Morris said:
“Despite Brexit now being ‘done’ UK nationals living in the EU are still not clear on what their rights will be by the end of this year. Many of them have lived abroad for many years but cannot plan their future with certainty as the Government has not provided an detailed analysis of what the position will be after the transition period ends.
“We are asking the Government to update us, and the British expatriates throughout the EU on the latest position and what more they can do to support UK national at this difficult and uncertain time.”
I like how Jim has come in and very politely shared his experiences in a industry quite relevant to discussion only to get a load of brexit party slogans lobbed at him by some old angry retirees
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It’s not an attack, it’s a valid concern, raised by someone who has been involved with cross border trade. He showed no particular bias towards a pro Eu stance.
Mr White’s *spits* retort stating that other countries trade just fine by themselves, does not address the concerns raised by the poster, is a generic brexit sound bite, that when unpacked is utterly devoid of any meaning or substance. This is why people who voted remain get so frustrated.
Perhaps something useful would be the proportion of EU member's exports done with other EU countries, and then compare that to trade by non-EU members with their close geographic neighbours. For instance, one such stat comparing US trade with Mexico and Canada (31%) and the UK's trade with the EU (45%) might suggest that the frictionless environment of the single market is good. The 23% of Japanese trade that is with China might suggest likewise. Equally, about 40% of Russia's trade is with the EU.
... you lost. Get over it. The commonwealth!
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Excellent post, and of course it is a 2 way street between the U.K. and the EU. Either can make it as easy or as difficult as they wish, but it works both ways. Unfortunately the noises coming from the EU suggest difficulties, but these will also be difficulties that they are foisting onto their own exporters in relation to the U.K.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Not at all, but people tend to forget that if the EU make it hard for the U.K. to export to Europe, then it will be just as hard for European countries to export to the U.K......
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