Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
Free trade agreements, its what we used to do before joining the EEC and then having to impose tariffs on stuff from around the World. The rest of the world is opening up again to trade and the economies outside of the Eu are growing at faster rates. The EU is what it is, a protectionist bloc.....
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I'm sure a man of your experience knows that tariffs are a minor part of global trade these days, as the various WTO rounds have done a reasonable job of eliminating, or reducing, many of them. Where the EU has been so beneficial is its removal of non-tariff barriers, but that involves creating a shared consensus with our international partners, and in some instances being a rule taker. Given Johnson's rhetoric in recent weeks about diverging from those non-tariff regulations and standards, we'll see just how far that gets the country when we're in a club of one. It reminds me of the French's endearing efforts with Minitel, which I'm sure they were very proud of, but it was ultimately useless nationalism.
 
peteblue said:
Free trade agreements, its what we used to do before joining the EEC and then having to impose tariffs on stuff from around the World. The rest of the world is opening up again to trade and the economies outside of the Eu are growing at faster rates. The EU is what it is, a protectionist bloc.....
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Somebody needs to tell @peteblue about American trade policy under Trump :confused:
 
Old Blue 2 said:
So you claim the moral high ground of being 'right-minded'? Go chase yourself!

Divided opposition solely due to Brexit? Are you serious? Labour is in chaos because its leader decided he would talk about a second Referendum, among other stupidities. He blew it for the whole Labour movement, hence previous Labour strongholds voting against him. The guy ultimately proved himself to be a clown of a leader, and it saddens me to say so, as a life-long Labour voter.

You claim that Blyth voted the way it did because they wanted less immigrants there? Conducted a poll. Canvassed every single voter? No, thought not. Glib throwaway phrases STILL from Remain voters.

Go organise a Remainers pity party, or an anti-Brexit demo...
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You should go for the coup de grace and tell him he's butthurt!
 
Bruce Wayne said:
This harks back long before the referendum. The Economist had a piece this week about the media's ongoing trope about silly Brussels rules, and the trope was so absurd that the EU created a website to debunk the tripe that was printed on a regular basis. This was harking back 20 years or more. As with so much, this is a mess purely of our own making, but it hardly seems like a good thing to celebrate Brexit because a good enough job was not done in extolling the virtues, with people who want this seemingly liking the fact they were ignorant of the reality.
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Yes.. although far more critical to preventing this than louder perfunctory fact-checking would have been NOT creating conditions where people correctly feel their lives are constantly made worse by opaque, unresponsive and malevolent authorities, which sneer at the food they eat, their accents, and the clothes they wear.

The Third Way reaps what it sowed, unfortunately.
 
If Johnson plays it right we will be better off and in a couple of years that should to come through.

Putin's quote on why brexit happened.

“It seems to me understandable why this happened,” he said at a summit in Uzbekistan on Friday, Financial Times reports. “ no one wants to feed and subsidize the weaker economies.”
“Evidently, people are not happy with the resolution of security issues, which have sharply deteriorated on the back of strong flows of migrants,” he continued. He said the vote to leave was a result of “nothing other than arrogance and a superficial approach from the British leadership to issues that are vital to their country and to Europe as a whole.”

He has his own agendas for not wanting the EU, but says a lot of things there some people are afraid to say.
 
abelard said:
Yes.. although far more critical to preventing this than louder perfunctory fact-checking would have been NOT creating conditions where people correctly feel their lives are constantly made worse by opaque, unresponsive and malevolent authorities, which sneer at the food they eat, their accents, and the clothes they wear.

The Third Way reaps what it sowed, unfortunately.
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I love the people in Warrington singing Vera Lynn, or the Geordies getting drunk, don't you?
 
havrey0123 said:
If Johnson plays it right we will be better off and in a couple of years that should to come through.

Putin's quote on why brexit happened.

“It seems to me understandable why this happened,” he said at a summit in Uzbekistan on Friday, Financial Times reports. “ no one wants to feed and subsidize the weaker economies.”
“Evidently, people are not happy with the resolution of security issues, which have sharply deteriorated on the back of strong flows of migrants,” he continued. He said the vote to leave was a result of “nothing other than arrogance and a superficial approach from the British leadership to issues that are vital to their country and to Europe as a whole.”

He has his own agendas for not wanting the EU, but says a lot of things there some people are afraid to say.
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He funded Brexit ffs lol

Quoting Putin as the voice of reason. Oh my days.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Incidentally, @Old Blue 2, things like the below are what rankle so many with your insistence that the leave campaign should not be held account for the promises they made. Gove was part of the government before, during and after the campaign, so knew full well what was realistic and what was fantasy, yet he blatantly spread the fantasy anyway.

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He looks pissed again.

Gove is a barely functioning alcoholic.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I'm sure a man of your experience knows that tariffs are a minor part of global trade these days, as the various WTO rounds have done a reasonable job of eliminating, or reducing, many of them. Where the EU has been so beneficial is its removal of non-tariff barriers, but that involves creating a shared consensus with our international partners, and in some instances being a rule taker. Given Johnson's rhetoric in recent weeks about diverging from those non-tariff regulations and standards, we'll see just how far that gets the country when we're in a club of one. It reminds me of the French's endearing efforts with Minitel, which I'm sure they were very proud of, but it was ultimately useless nationalism.
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It's perhaps also worth remembering that the majority of our economy is service-based, which doesn't suffer from tariff-based barriers anywhere near as much as it does non-tariff-based barriers. Most equipment these days, for instance, collects huge quantities of data, and it's increasingly common for updates to that equipment being delivered via software patches rather than hardware recalls. So having common standards around data governance is helpful so that a global business has one approach rather than multiple for different territories. It's why Rolls Royce et al will probably still adhere to things like GDPR, even when they're no longer bound to. You probably won't hear them getting all butt hurt and moaning about being 'rule takers' though.
 
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