Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Bruce Wayne said:
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I'm not really sure we'll be back in the EU any time soon. I Iannot see the EU wanting to take a basket case like the UK back unless there were around 75% favour for reapplication from the UK. It's just not worth the hassle.

Brexit will have to run its course and hopefully we will navigate towards a model for the future relationship that is the least detrimental, which means we maintain as close a relationship with the EU as possible.

I'm hopeful that that will be the case, due to the timeline given for transition and the pressure for Johnson to get a deal, he will largely accept whatever the EU are offering in terms of future relationship (he did after all just rebadge May's deal), which will want to keep as close to the current arrangements as possible.

He claims the win, Brexiteers herald him a hero and he can be safe in the knowledge that all he has to do is spend a year getting the PR right because most of those demanding Brexit aren't actually concerned with the detail and most definitely won't bother to read it..
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'm not really sure we'll be back in the EU any time soon. I Iannot see the EU wanting to take a basket case like the UK back unless there were around 75% favour for reapplication from the UK. It's just not worth the hassle.

Brexit will have to run its course and hopefully we will navigate towards a model for the future relationship that is the least detrimental, which means we maintain as close a relationship with the EU as possible.

I'm hopeful that that will be the case, due to the timeline given for transition and the pressure for Johnson to get a deal, he will largely accept whatever the EU are offering in terms of future relationship (he did after all just rebadge May's deal), which will want to keep as close to the current arrangements as possible.

He claims the win, Brexiteers herald him a hero and he can be safe in the knowledge that all he has to do is spend a year getting the PR right because most of those demanding Brexit aren't actually concerned with the detail and most definitely won't bother to read it..
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Think most of this is right. I don't know how they can come to an arrangement that would suit the EU and the US though.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
I'm not really sure we'll be back in the EU any time soon. I Iannot see the EU wanting to take a basket case like the UK back unless there were around 75% favour for reapplication from the UK. It's just not worth the hassle.

Brexit will have to run its course and hopefully we will navigate towards a model for the future relationship that is the least detrimental, which means we maintain as close a relationship with the EU as possible.

I'm hopeful that that will be the case, due to the timeline given for transition and the pressure for Johnson to get a deal, he will largely accept whatever the EU are offering in terms of future relationship (he did after all just rebadge May's deal), which will want to keep as close to the current arrangements as possible.

He claims the win, Brexiteers herald him a hero and he can be safe in the knowledge that all he has to do is spend a year getting the PR right because most of those demanding Brexit aren't actually concerned with the detail and most definitely won't bother to read it..
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It does beg the question of whether such a song and dance is being made over something as relatively meaningless as fishing is so they can be the bone thrown to the UK so they can laud their success without much really changing.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It does beg the question of whether such a song and dance is being made over something as relatively meaningless as fishing is so they can be the bone thrown to the UK so they can laud their success without much really changing.
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My experience, which is largely derived from those with far more knowledge of trade than I do, is that trade policy greatly affects a minority/niche sectors/industries, while most won't directly be impacted directly, they are impacted in subtle ways which are a factor of that trade policy and probably most importantly, It's complicated and requires (surprisingly enough) trade offs.

I'm yet to see, despite all the bluster, anything that looks vaguely like a trading strategy from the UK other than indivisible promises to safeguard specific industries: fishing, car manufacturing, chemicals, farming etc. But they can't all be prioritised.

Fishing is a special case as many of the locations where fishing takes place, are almost entirely dependent on fishing and, similar to when industry has been wound down before, would suffer greatly if the industry were to be taken away and struggle to shift the emphasis into other areas. So it may not directly contribute a significant amount to the economy, it's vital for those areas dependent upon it.
 
dead_soft said:
If we don't need them that much why do we keep buying their stuff? Weird that you were so desperate to leave our biggest trading partner. We certainly do not want to be trading on WTO rules with the EU and mad as hell to suggest it.
It's also spectacular how little you seem to understand about trade - do you really think trade tariffs are as simple as profit for the importing country?
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peteblue said:
No my friend, but I do understand it. Tariffs are not profit , unless of course you import more than you export to someone, then they become profit, because they give you much more than you give them........
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So, no but yes then Pete?!

Bruce Wayne said:
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That's it in a nutshell. The UK's future has been hammered at the altar of idiots.
 
Can't disappoint my readers on this morning, can I?

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The clue is in the first line (We said our goodbyes, on the night before)




Even a bit of Bob...
 
peteblue said:
It doesn’t matter, we trade very successfully on WTO rules at the moment. But now we can negotiate free trade deals without the anchor of the EU other 27 holding us back. In addition for all the bluster and interpretation of numbers, they still sell more to us than we sell to them. We are now their biggest trading partner. They can be spiteful if they wish, it really won’t matter to us as we will profit from tariff transactions. Boris will get his deal.....
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Import tariffs are ultimately (or directly) paid by the consumer though. A dyed in the wool Tory cheering on inflation and tax rises, wowzers.
 
WA Toffee said:
The EU will look after their own interests first, same as the UK will, it's not about stitching anyone up

Do you believe that we are going to negotiate trade terms with the EU better than those we have just given up? And if you do, why would you think the EU will concede better terms to non EU countries than to their own member states?
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Of course not, how can you possibly negotiate better terms. But we can negotiate with who we want, when we want. We can remove our ultimate political leaders from office. Our government has no excuses and no one else to blame anymore. We stand on our own two feet again....
 
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